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Arrest made in SF killing of Bob Lee – alleged killer also worked in tech

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Post by el_benhameen »

dmode wrote: post #323

Am I the only one who does NOT feel unsafe in SF at all ? I mean, I choose not to walk in TL and SOMA at night. But why would anyone feel unsafe in North Beach, Marina, Russian Hill, Richmond, Sunset, GG park, Lower Haight, Valencia etc. I have spent many nights walking in Valencia and took Uber home at 2am. Doesn't feel remotely unsafe.

I don’t live in SF, but I live nearby and take my kids there for outings pretty frequently. The news reports and anecdotes have made me a little wary of these outings, but our actual experiences never have. I don’t doubt that others have very different, equally valid experiences of the city, and I do hate to see the abject misery that’s on full display in some neighborhoods. But I’ve never felt unsafe there in the 30+ years I’ve been exploring the city, including while walking at night with little kids.

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Post by NotYourLawyer »

azinman2 wrote: post #204
NotYourLawyer wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Shithole city is a bit extreme, don’t you think? I’d reserve that for very, very different places in the world.

There are plenty of so-called shithole countries where I'd rather live than SF.

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Post by cashsterling »

cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

There is some relief in learning that a homeless person didn't commit this crime. However, the overall crime situation in SF, and other parts of the Bay, is still crazy... and I think that is the genesis of the 2600+ comment thread on the crime and homeless situation. SF crime IS A PROBLEM that is not being adequately addressed. So much so that folks assumed Bob was probably killed by a crazy drug addict or something. While wrong in this case, it was a reasonable first guess. And the conversation and flood of comment on the topic of crime flooded in from there.

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Post by didip »

narrator wrote: post #403
ggambetta wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, how does one avoid getting knifed by a junkie in the alleyway?

I once was walking in downtown with a lady I was dating and a guy who looked homeless and was obviously very high snuck up on me and wrapped his arm around mine and started talking to me. I did not get scared, I just talked to him like he was my best friend. He said, your girlfriend is really pretty, and I said, "Yes, she is is!" and I asked whether he was having a nice day and wasn't the weather great and made small…

This is the street-smart way of handling this type of danger. Growing up in a dangerous neighborhood in Jakarta, I've used similar tactics many times.

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Post by anonymouskimmer »

Fauntleroy wrote: post #279
Ar-Curunir wrote: post #222

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The assumptions were incorrect, but the problem is still there. Just removes one data point. I walk around SoMa and it's a common occurence to walk past someone (loudly) muttering to themselves that they're going to kill or attack someone. It's not a "political" thing anymore, the city desperately, desperately needs help.

> I walk around SoMa and it's a common occurence to walk past someone (loudly) muttering to themselves that they're going to kill or attack someone.

I'm not saying that they all have a tic disorder or OCD, but utterances such as this can be linked to them. Tourette's is not all people saying sexually explicit things, sexually explicit utterances are only about 10% of Tourette's cases.

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Post by FanaHOVA »

nsxwolf wrote: post #394
cemerick wrote: post #2

This news really highlights the confirmation bias that was in full bloom throughout the "discourse" around the initial reports of Lee's murder (e.g. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35448899 ). Everyone is so quick to jump on negative news about the rare violent crime in e.g. SF thanks to feelings about petty property crime that it's obviously impossible to have any kind of fact-based dialogue about policy. Worth…

Violent crime is rare everywhere, for some definition of rare. I can walk through the most dangerous part of Chicago tonight and I will almost certainly survive. However, if I do that every night for my entire life, the cumulative risk will be unacceptably high. It would be wrong to insist Chicago doesn't have a problem with violence just because I have much better than Vegas odds of not dying today. SF has different…

> I can walk through the most dangerous part of Chicago tonight and I will almost certainly survive.

Go walk through O Block / West Garfield tonight and report back.

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Post by pentagrama »

j4pe wrote: post #20

Joe Eskenazi, the author of this piece, is a solid journalist who helps run the tiny donation-funded Mission Local. They've done incredible reporting on corruption in the SF city government and punch way above their weight in the stories they break. I have respect for how Joe refused to join in reporting this murder as evidence of a violent crime epidemic, while still reporting on homelessness and property crime.

I'm in doubt if is ethical journalism reveal the name and LinkedIn profile of an alleged killer, sounds like doxing to me.

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Post by olalonde »

nullc wrote: post #393

One of the first things I said when I heard about this was: "Gee, there certainly has been an unexpected number of stabbings around mobilecoin. I wonder if this has something to do with the billion dollars stolen from FTX by someone seemingly connected with mobilecoin." -- but at a glance I'm not seeing a connection with the person they arrested. Interesting. I had family ask me about it, concerned for my welfare, an…

Which other stabbings are you referring to?

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Post by dahfizz »

donohoe wrote: post #401
dahfizz wrote: post #386

Earlier quoted context omitted.

SF still has above average violent crime[1]. Its top 7 in terms of overall crime, so being "just" above average for violent crime seems not so bad in comparison. But the objective reality is that BOTH property crime and violent crime is worse in SF than in most other cities. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_United_States_cities_b...

Maybe. That data is 4 years old (from 2019)

The violent crime rate hasn't changed much. The total number of incidents[1] and population[2] have both decreased around 10% since 2019.

Do you have evidence to the contrary? You can't just claim everything is fine and discard all evidence you disagree with.

[1] https://sfgov.org/scorecards/public-safety/violent-crime-rat...

[2] https://www.census.gov/quickfacts/sanfranciscocountycaliforn...

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Post by jb3689 »

It’s pretty incredible to me that the whole community on the last thread was fixated on the fact that it must’ve been the homeless/drug addicts. What kind of place is it where you immediately dismiss premeditated murder, or even throw it up as 50-50?
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