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Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by FpUser »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

>How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years? Even the battery life is still ok. I am going to have to force her to consider the air bc the old 13 is a security risk without OS updates.

My ASUS G73 is 12 years old. I stuffed it with 32GB RAM and it works just fine. I use it to create 3D models and assemblies. I do clone the SSD once in a while but still there was no need to replace.

Since I use it mostly as a portable desktop (external keyboard, mouse and 4K monitor) the relevant parts are pristine.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by gamblor956 »

game_the0ry wrote: post #370
drooopy wrote: post #32

In my case, I feel that Apple has priced itself out of the EU market with the latest Macs and iDevices. The new base M2 Air begins at €1500 after taxes which is genuinely an absurd amount of money to ask for a device that comes with 8 GB and 256 GB of non-replaceable ram and ssd respectively. The cheapest iPhone 14 starts at a bit over €1000. My plan is to keep my entry-level M1 Air for a few more years and then I'm…

FWIW, macs are high quality and last a long time. My wife needed a laptop for class a year ago, so I gave her my old macbook pro 13 i bought in 2014. I also had a macbook air m1 for personal use, which I replaced recently with a macbook pro 14 m1, and planned to give my wife the air. She refuses the air bc she likes the old 13 so much, and she abuses the shit out of it. How often does a laptop go strong for 9 years?…

Dells are also high quality and last a long time. My Dell laptops from college, law school, and my first job have all lasted over a decade, requiring only a battery replacement or two over the years. My dad's (IBM) Thinkpad from the 90s still works.

OTOH, literally every Mac owner I know has had to replace their Mac laptop multiple times due to various hardware issues. (And yes, that includes Macbook Pros, Airs, etc.)

It's great that Apple has such good support. I couldn't tell you what Dell or IBM's support is like; I've never had to use it.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ducknalddon »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #44
lenkite wrote: post #28

They simply need to reduce prices if they wish to see more sales. The economic slump means people have tightened their wallets.

A lot of finger-pointing at price in this thread (or how the M1 captured new MacBook sales) but I would be more worried about the segment in general. I think we've all seen a trend among users away from general-purpose PC's and toward phones and/or tablets. My bigger fear is that the rest of us, like some kind of ham radio enthusiasts, are going to become a dwindling market segment that fewer and fewer computer compa…

I'd welcome that. The broader the market for PC's the more dumbed down they become. I'd be happy to see a bifurcation into dumb terminals for most people and workstations for the power users.

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Post by 908B64B197 »

layer8 wrote: post #361
dmix wrote: post #313

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Is it tariffs or something? Everything in Canada is usually 10-25% more expensive than the US, besides stuff covered under NAFTA. Consumer things like clothes/electronics are usually the biggest victims. But I just compared the Apple stores and the base Macbook = $999USD vs $1299CAD, doing pure currency conversion $1299CAD = $965.96USD, so it's technically ~$32USD cheaper in Canada? Probably just out-of-step with cur…

It’s mostly the Euro having weakened vis-à-vis the USD, plus some very minor components like private-copying levy. European prices are usually listed including sales tax, which can make them appear higher compared to the US list prices which don’t include tax.

> private-copying levy

What's that?

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by wkat4242 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #145
alchemist1e9 wrote: post #74

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> The dollar is insanely strong right now This is a bigger story that isn’t being told properly often. The recent BRICS currency move is about them panicking over increasing dollar global dominance. Checking recently I can’t find any major currency that is up against the dollar over last 10 years. US productivity is running away from the rest of the planet is another variable and with rapid on shoring of numerous ind…

Outside of Peter Zeihan, I'm also utterly surprised that no one even brings up the demographics debate. Everyone has been so indoctrinated on the "we have too many people" propaganda that they haven't even realized how fast birth rates have dropped across the globe (and they're dropping even faster now). The demographics of Europe, China, Japan and S. Korea are all terminal at this point. Outside of UK, France, and t…

> AND a culture that's always willing to accommodate new people.

Try getting a green card even as a trained European. Good luck :)

Not that I'd ever be interested in living in the US. I prefer a country with a decent social security safety net and socialized healthcare. And where people can't just run around carrying guns.

Spain is not perfect but I have way fewer things to worry about here. So I can relax and enjoy life more.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by wincy »

spoiler wrote: post #237
chii wrote: post #164

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But a mac air is a luxury item, and its pricing reflects that. I don't think it's absurd at all. A similarly capable laptop could be had for a much lower price, so people that complain they cannot get this luxury item for an "affordable" price just sounds entitled to me.

Some people use Macs for work. I guess you can think of it as a long-ish investment and get it on finance, but considering how quickly hardware becomes outdated in some industries where Macs are are either a technical or social must-have, the prices do seem absurd...

I bought it for my wife because she was constantly breaking the Linux laptop I put together for her. She’d have a billion tabs open and eventually the RAM would fill up and it’d crash and she was annoyed about this. I haven’t had to troubleshoot my wife’s MacBook Air in the two years she’s had it. She wants to write and watch movies, and the Mac just works for her.

I use a 16GB M1 Air with 1TB hard drive myself and it does everything I want and I don’t have to worry with tinkering on it. I used to be really into tweaking performance on my desktop but it’s just not worth it anymore.

Re: Apple halted M2 chip production in January amid 'plummeting' Mac sales

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Post by ajross »

carlosjobim wrote: post #413
ajross wrote: post #317

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Salary growth leads inflation in virtually all cases, and in this one too. (Realized I can still edit: reply after reply is trying to interpret this as a statement about causality, which it emphatically is not. I'm just saying that ordering is complicated in feedback systems, and that the needed salary growth to compensate for existing inflation largely already happened. This is doubly or triply true for the tech sal…

Salaries are only redistribution of current money supply. Inflation means an increased money supply and only banks can increase it, wether it's government banks, private banks, or both.

It's a feedback cycle, arguments about which node in the graph is the "real" one are pointless. My point was just empirical: almost always, the proximate cause of "inflation" is increased consumer spending, and the proximate cause of that is usually salary growth. And it was this time too.

So an argument of the form "salaries don't keep up with inflation" is backwards (usually). They already did!

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Post by princevegeta89 »

Dalewyn wrote: post #69
KptMarchewa wrote: post #55

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>1650EUR for a laptop that won't have enough ram to run the browser in two years. That did not have enough ram 3 years ago... the fact they are still trying to sell 8GB as an useful amount outside of extremely budget laptops is insane.

Speaking as someone who has and uses an M2 Macbook Air with 8GB RAM, I agree it's not a lot but it's more than sufficient for any use case a Macbook Air would generally see. This literally isn't Windows where 32GB of RAM is the new minimum. I will say the Macbook Pro really should start from 16GB RAM and at least 1TB SSD; it's for professionals, isn't it?

A lot of developers and video editors use Macbook Air and 24GB is what is considered sufficient for them. They buy into Macbook Air for portability reasons.

Windows laptops on the other hands hold incredibly well at 16GB of RAM. There are also windows laptops with the same weight as Macbook Air at half the cost and double the specs.

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Post by newaccount74 »

slowmotiony wrote: post #395
airstrike wrote: post #377

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Ain't no way shipping and taxes equal 100% of the product's price

Why? Shipping, VAT and all the customs fees will easily double the price of the product by the time it reaches your door.

VAT is 15-20%, customs 5-10%, shipping ~50€, fees for custom handling 10-20€.

It's pricy, but it's not going to double the price.

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