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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
I have meager needs so I haven't run into (m)any of the issues here, but what's a deb based alternative that isn't meant for absolute stability at the expense of anything modern? (I ask with actual curiosity; I'm ignorant to most distros.)
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I'm genuinely curious about this, as I see people say it a lot but it's not my experience at all. I have an Arch Linux desktop (KDE + AMD), I update it every few days, and it's always fine. I also have a shell VM that runs IRC etc that often isn't updated in months, and I run `pacman -Syyu` and everything works fine. I've never had the infamous 'Arch updates are unreliable' issue. Is it certain packages that are more…
> I've never had the infamous 'Arch updates are unreliable' issue. Is it certain packages that are more prone to it, or something? Liferea is currently broken as of the latest update 5 days ago due to https://github.com/lwindolf/liferea/issues/1217 I also suffered from the grub issue mentioned here elsewhere, had to rescue my laptop after it became unbootable (though it was very simple to Google the problem and to fi…
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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.
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So upgrade the whole thing. It's open source so in most cases that's possible.
You're shifting more work onto distros and users that shouldn't be work in the first place, and basically preventing non-linux literate people from using their OS. If I install software on MacOS or Windows, I don't have to care if it was packaged for an older version etc, or that my distro may not package a dependency.
It seems very much intentional. You could just keep multiple different, vulnerable versions around and keep everything working. Instead distros say "Nope. We support exactly one version. Update or die."
That is also why you have runtimes, grafting, support sunset,... . I agree that a different trade off makes much more sense for desktops. For servers though...
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This was my last straw. I installed some 6 month old LTS release, and it had to go through a 2-5 second timeout step on the initial lookup of each new dns name. Then, it would populate a local cache, and work well until the TTL expired or whatever. Anyway, if you are looking for a noob distro, I recommend manjaro. (The AUR packages are extremely unstable, but other than that, it’s pretty competitive with what Ubuntu…
> manjaro Is Manjaro really that noob-friendly? All I know about Manjaro is that it's based on Arch, which I always understood as being the LEAST noob-friendly distro besides LFS.
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Everyone's done with Ubuntu. It's just not good. Its got a stereotype at this point for being the easy noob distro but that's not even true. Its top to bottom awful and has been for many years.
Call me a noob if you like, but I don't like hunting down drivers. Tried to go to debian on my last dev machine upgrade, but reverted straight back to ubuntu. I may be lazy, but I really don't want to hunt down drivers. I'll try debian again next cycle.
I've given-up on Debian-like systems on a laptop, because the drivers were never good, just decide one last try with bare Debian, and have everything work out of the box. In my experience, Ubuntu never works, and when you suddenly get most things to work, they break down again in a week or two.
No other distro ever gave me that experience.
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I take your point (it's the general point many use to argue for Snap/Flatpak/Nix/AppImage/0install/Homebrew/&c.) but if you want to ensure you're not replacing per-distro-package-manager-fragmentation with completely-arbitrary-chaotic-package-manager-fragmentation there needs to be some unity & consideration for what users want in order to ensure they'll willingly subscribe to your system of choice. While I wouldn't…
> (Snap) may be the most used by virtue of being rammed down user's throats by projects with existing user capture (e.g. LetsEncrypt) Care to expand on this? I'm not in Ubuntu-land but can't imagine how a service with an open protocol and multiple clients forces you onto Snap.
This wouldn't be the worst situation (devs needing to more time preparing myriad distribution formats is a valid problem) if the specific 1 channel being used wasn't a broadly resented channel.
Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…
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It worked fine? Did you ever apt install nextcloud-client? Then find out (after pulling your hairs out) that it doesn't work because it is some ancient (and I mean years old) version? And this is just one example. Many devs warn you out right about package manager's versions on their websites.
But exactly this example got fixed! I maintained "inofficial" debian packages for quite some time, but since Debian bullseye came out `sudo apt install nextcloud-desktop` just works :-)
Wow they're still pushing snaps, the project with some the worst engineering I've ever seen. - Extremely slow at doing anything, even the most basic commands. - Ridiculous auto-update mechanism (you can't even disable it wtf). - Random, nonsense limitations (why can't I open dot files and dot directories???). So terrible that for most apps that I installed with snaps I end up installing the deb version later on. What…
We've been here before, of course - they pushed their own DE (the original Unity, not the current GNOME theme) for a while as a competitor to GNOME, and they also pushed Upstart over systemd. There are probably other cases I'm missing.
Eventually they gave up on those pet projects for pragmatic reasons, but Snaps seem to be the hill they want to die on (presumably for internal political reasons and/or some weak attempt at lockin).