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Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
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#432I've been a staunch supporter of Elon throughout all his scandals, especially the Twitter ones but I'm unable to come up with any justification for this. Everything leads to him (and others) pressuring OpenAI to pause so they could catch up. It doesn't take much smarts to deduce the cats already out of the bag. There is no stopping this, only pressuring/slowing-down/targeting certain players (OpenAI) as a competition…
Doesn't Elon continue to hold a stake in OpenAI? Do you think Tesla wants to compete with OAI in building an LLM? Make use of Dojo?
Elon musk was a founding member, a board member (resigned in 2018), and a donor, but not an owner (it's a non-profit so there aren't owners exactly).
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#433They should certainly make them better. I'm currently trying to convince ChatGPT that a Pi zero is faster than a 486/33 (I also asked it how to italicise text on HN, and it got it wrong twice - so I went to google for "Ed:.." bit below). That's not to say I'm down on it - it's very impressive, and it's certainly going to change things (exactly how, I don't know - though with my decades long swing from how cool the in…
The more you argue with it the more it will dig in - because you've got a whole chat priming it to argue. Try starting a new conversation and taking a different approach from the beginning, and try to prime it from the beginning to put it in the context that you're looking for.
I did indeed do that (more than once) yet it continues to come to the same (erroneous) conclusion. Try "Which is faster, a Pi zero or a 486/33?".
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#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Virtue signalling"? Please. There are a lot of very smart experts on that signatory list who definitely don't need to, or care about, virtue signalling. Fine, ignore Musk's signature, but I don't think luminaries like Stuart Russell, Steve Wozniak, Jaan Tallinn or John Hopfield are doing this for "virtue signalling". You can fairly argue that this will be ineffective, but a lot of experts in this field have real, "h…
There are plenty of bigger "human ending" concerns on the table right now than AI and we certainly aren't pausing anything for those.
There is no need for "whataboutism". There are plenty of very similar missives and warnings against, for example, the dangers of climate inaction, and I rarely see people claiming that the signatories of the latest IPCC report are "virtue signaling".
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#435"The Dark Forest" is a science fiction novel by Liu Cixin, which introduces a concept called "suspicion."(“猜疑链”) In this concept, the interaction between civilizations is viewed as an ongoing game of suspicion, where each civilization is worried that the other civilization may pose a threat to it. This kind of suspicion makes it difficult for civilizations to establish trust, thereby making the universe a dark forest…
"another group of researchers believe that we should not stop because we cannot be certain whether those who are trying to catch up with us will use the advancement of AI technology as a hidden weapon"
It's not just a potential weapon, but a potential source of untold riches and power.
That's going to be irresistible to anyone with an interest in either (ie. most politicians, governments, billionaires and corporations... and most ordinary people too, if they only had the means).
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#436The virtue signal of all virtue signals. We do not live in a society where an article like this will have any impact. This is merely an attempt to buy time because they're behind and want to have a chance to catch up. Work will progress whether they like it or not. Finally someone other than Ol' Musky is in the news more than him. Don't get me wrong he's doing and leading great work, but for once in more recent times…
"Virtue signalling"? Please. There are a lot of very smart experts on that signatory list who definitely don't need to, or care about, virtue signalling. Fine, ignore Musk's signature, but I don't think luminaries like Stuart Russell, Steve Wozniak, Jaan Tallinn or John Hopfield are doing this for "virtue signalling". You can fairly argue that this will be ineffective, but a lot of experts in this field have real, "h…
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#437We can't stop developing AI; I just watched a rap battle where Bard got utterly destroyed by ChatGPT. We need more advanced AI rappers immediately, I don't think I can handle any more Lil Uzi Vert
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hmm, sounds like parties not fully grokking the optimal (not thinly logical) solution to the iterated prisoners' dilemma. I saw the same thought process is the otherwise very nice novel "Time's Children". Good for drama, but not thought through.
If your scenario involves all parties "fully grokking the optimal solution to the iterated prisoners' dilemma" I suspect it's yourself who has not thought things through. It only takes one.
Please elaborate
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#439Re: Pause Giant AI Experiments: An Open Letter
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
Doesn't Elon continue to hold a stake in OpenAI? Do you think Tesla wants to compete with OAI in building an LLM? Make use of Dojo?
Elon musk was a founding member, a board member (resigned in 2018), and a donor, but not an owner (it's a non-profit so there aren't owners exactly).
I admit I don't really understand how nonprofits (especially in US) work ownership-wise, but I do know that OpenAI has a for-profit subsidiary.
Microsoft invested ~10B into OpenAI, so apparently there is a way to own something. Also Raison claims they have purchased some pre-IPO shares: https://raison.ai/assets/openai (They even claim - perhaps wrongly - that Elon is one of the lead investors.)