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Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 5:17 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #415

anthk wrote: post #327

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No, you are wrong. Since Windows 98, having a machine with a CD was mandatory to be a multimedia PC. Heck, I remember four CD game releases such as Blade Runner.

Okay? You're talking about the requirements for new computers in the era, that retail software could assume. Meanwhile, I'm talking about the requirements for consumer electronics sold into the market in the era; where, to have the widest TAM, companies would usually design connectivity around the assumption that the person purchasing the device has a very old computer.

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Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 5:18 AM UTC

dml2135 wrote: post #355

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #206

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I forget the exact timeline, but I think part of it too was music pricing. Physical media (tapes, records) had gotten very expensive, and almost everyone was pirating MP3s from Napster etc. Apple's iTunes prices were low enough that it became simpler just to buy stuff legally than pirate it. I can't recall if iTunes was introduced at exact same time as iPod not not. Google search suggests it may have been 1 or 2 year…

Ripping CDs was common practice back then, in addition to all the piracy you mentioned. I'm pretty sure iTunes had a built-in feature for it.

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Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by vba616 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 5:40 AM UTC

junofan wrote: post #430

vba616 wrote: post #429

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>The first iPod was a Mac-only Firewire device I don't remember ever using Firewire for anything. Are you saying it was only Firewire? Quite possible if I dug enough, I could find my iPod. It wasn't one of the very first ones, but it was monochrome and hard-drive based.

Yep IIRC it literally has a Firewire port on the top.

Looks like USB support for syncing was introduced in 2003, and for charging in 2004.

Mine was a 4th generation monochrome - in other words, 2004ish. Had to have been USB. I don't think there were any Firewire Macs before 1999, and I don't think I ever got a Mac after that point, or that ran OS X.

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by wallace_yc » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 5:43 AM UTC

bdlowery wrote: post #325

keyme wrote: post #314

And the rest of us plebs are to be stuck with the Samsung fab again. Great.

Buy an iPhone then :)

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Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by kalleboo » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 7:32 AM UTC

wallace_yc wrote: post #434

bdlowery wrote: post #325

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Buy an iPhone then :)

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Why do you think Samsung is any better?

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by DSingularity » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 8:08 AM UTC

rekoil wrote: post #370

runeks wrote: post #350

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Because they don't have the money. Apple's net income has been at least $20bn every quarter for the past two years[1]. Both Intel and AMD make a small fraction of that[2][3]. [1] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AAPL/apple/net-inc... [2] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/INTC/intel/net-inc... [3] https://www.macrotrends.net/stocks/charts/AMD/amd/net-income

Not so much that they don't have the money (they don't, I agree), but the bigger issue is even if they could their margins aren't nearly as good as Apples are.

Their potential margins. So they would be taking large risk to potentially make much less.

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 10:09 AM UTC

geoffmac wrote: post #305

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #255

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I can set my gigabyte laptop to Quiet mode and it's as good as fanless. As to the speed, I can play Doom Eternal with it (it has a mobile 3080 card), which M1 can't.

So not fanless

From the point of view of quantum mechanics, if you can't hear the fan, it does not exist)

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by retard91949 » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 10:57 AM UTC

seabrookmx wrote: post #342

dom96 wrote: post #291

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Why aren't there other companies outbidding Apple?

They can't. Apple is the most valuable company in the world and has more cash on hand than many medium sized countries.

What do you mean "on hand", isn't their net worth mostly the company's stocks which they would have to sell for it to be "on hand"?

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by jacooper » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 10:57 AM UTC

CoolGuySteve wrote: post #60

deanc wrote: post #11

> Compared to 5nm process, the first-generation 3nm process can reduce power consumption by up to 45%, improve performance by 23% and reduce area by 16% compared to 5nm, while the second-generation 3nm process is to reduce power consumption by up to 50%, improve performance by 30% and reduce area by 35%. What kind of real-world impact are we likely to see on the 3nm chips for the new iPhone and M3 macs? These figures…

History suggests we will see obnoxious hacker news comments about how the M-series processors are some unrivaled alien technology that will be forever unbeaten when it comes to performance followed by AMD releasing a low wattage CPU with better multicore performance about 8 months later (or whenever they get fab capacity anyways).

Also not mentioning the myriad of problems that comes with using Arm as you main PC

Re: Apple orders entire supply of TSMC's 3nm chips for iPhone 15 Pro and M3 Macs

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Post by anthk » Thu, Feb 23, 2023, 11:31 AM UTC

derefr wrote: post #415

anthk wrote: post #327

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No, you are wrong. Since Windows 98, having a machine with a CD was mandatory to be a multimedia PC. Heck, I remember four CD game releases such as Blade Runner.

Okay? You're talking about the requirements for new computers in the era, that retail software could assume. Meanwhile, I'm talking about the requirements for consumer electronics sold into the market in the era; where, to have the widest TAM, companies would usually design connectivity around the assumption that the person purchasing the device has a very old computer.

I was there, period. If by year 2001 you didn't have a CD drive to play Unreal (1998), Deus Ex (2000) or Max Payne (2001), your PC was seriously outdated junk and no company would take your PC seriously even for office work.

In 1999, yes, maybe a 486 with Windows 95 could be barely usable, but most basic software required a Pentium with MMX because of multimedia and optimisations. That's it. We already were in the Pentium II era, not owning a K6 or Pentium MMX would outclass you in a breeze for any serious task.

AMD and VIA CPU's were really cheap and by 1999 having a machine with a Pentium MMX-like specs with a CDROM was the norm because of that.

And OFC by 1999 DOS was pretty much dead and everyone switched to Windows 95 at least.

Yes, there were people and nerds like me in 2004 totally being able to use FreeBSD/Linux under a 486 with 16MB of RAM to play downscaled MP3's, nethack and surf the web with Lynx. But for sure we weren't the target of commercial software vendors.

By the year 2001, the minimal computer specs skyrocketed for everyone since 1997.