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Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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faeriechangling wrote: post #400
acdha wrote: post #149

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You care about single-core performance when you use the web: things like JavaScript processing, layout, etc. will bottleneck on one core and since developers are shipping more code this is probably the most noticeable difference. It's also a little hard to tell in some cases since there are many “native apps” which use an embedded web view for some of their UI. This is important for developers to know about because i…

Yeah and the s23 has double the memory so it’s going to absolutely kick the crap out of the iPhone12 after it starts to swap your tabs into memory even accounting for the JVM. It’s cool and all for Apple to have an edge in single core performance but it doesn’t matter all that much in the real world and the s23 is objectively the faster phone.

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Post by SparkyMcUnicorn »

hiisukun wrote: post #401
yumraj wrote: post #19

The one, and only benchmark, I care about is battery longevity. Not how long battery lasts before needing charge, but how many years it lasts before dropping to say 80% of original capacity that it needs to be replaced or the phone needs to be updated. Most, if not all, modern phones are performant enough that I won’t need to update for a long time, if not for the battery issues. At least for my use case.

This is one of the main reasons I use two particular things on Android: 1) Firefox on mobile, with addons. Battery consumption is reduced a lot with less javascript, less ads downloaded, less domains contacted etc. From my quick tests, Firefox was perhaps efficient as a default installation compared to Chrome, or on a wifi with a pihole/nextdns type setup. But out and about in the world 2) Downloaded videos, podcasts…

NextDNS is the best option for ads and junk, because it's applies to all apps and works from anywhere.

I also find Brave a lot simpler than Firefox + installing add-ons, and it uses uBO lists by default which is mostly what I care about.

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Post by kaba0 »

notatoad wrote: post #416
mmcnl wrote: post #365

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That's precisely what is meant right? If the phone is faster today, there is more headroom to accommodate for future increased hardware requirements.

but if the phone is faster today, apps will start building features to use that CPU today. when the next phone comes out with a faster processor, you're still going to be behind the curve. maybe less relevant in android, where phones generally have a wide spread of capabilities. but in iphone land, where most people are on the two most recent generations, you're always going to find developers assuming you have more…

But CPU performance strongly plummeted everywhere, there won’t be significantly faster CPUs in 4 years than what 4 years would have meant in the early days.

Re: Apple’s 2½ year old iPhone 12 is 6% faster than the new Samsung Galaxy S23 Ultra

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Post by pjmlp »

acdha wrote: post #404
faeriechangling wrote: post #400

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Yeah and the s23 has double the memory so it’s going to absolutely kick the crap out of the iPhone12 after it starts to swap your tabs into memory even accounting for the JVM. It’s cool and all for Apple to have an edge in single core performance but it doesn’t matter all that much in the real world and the s23 is objectively the faster phone.

> the s23 has dramatically more memory so it’s going to absolutely kick the crap out of the iPhone12 after it starts to swap your tabs into memory. Do you have any reproducible test results showing that or are you just asserting tribal loyalty? I jest, we all know the answer. You might want to read up on how iOS and Android differ in key ways: native code versus JIT, garbage collection versus ARC, and all of the syst…

Android since version 5 AOT compiles the code, since version 7 it JITs first and then AOT compiles on idle, nowadays not only it JIT/AOT compiles it does so by using PGO metadata shared across devices via the PlayStore.

Reference counting is a GC algorithm.

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Post by kaba0 »

GeorgeTirebiter wrote: post #396
nomel wrote: post #320

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Samsung note has a proper stylus. It's similar to the Wacom variety.

Exactly. I have a Samsung Note. It has the best stylus on a phone. (I also find it funny the Apple Fanbois decided to downvote my initial comment, when I was clearly showing that Apple is 'behind the curve' in this respect. Gosh, I used to work at Apple. I find this amusing.)

I didn’t downvote you, but surely your very niche requirement doesn’t add much to the discussion.

Even though, that is very cool line of work and I’m sure I would be similarly biased for the tech I helped form, but it is simply not a general requirement as shown by very very few phones having them.

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sdflhasjd wrote: post #419
mrtksn wrote: post #385

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> . Battery drain issues: Battery drains randomly, main culprit being "find my" process. You probably have an AirTag around you, there's a bug causing that. Update the AirTag firmware. > 3. Lack of the back button is a huge pain in the ass Swipe from the left edge of the screen to right, that's the iOS back button.

> Update the AirTag firmware. What if it's not my AirTag?

If not your AirTag follows you, you'll get message informing you that someone is tracking you.

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Post by pjmlp »

dzikimarian wrote: post #168
metalliqaz wrote: post #92

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Why buy a Pixel only to replace the OS? Pixels are basically minimum viable hardware to deliver Google software. Without the Google software, its just a mid-range phone at high-end prices.

That's just plain not true. It's at least $100 below market average and performance is great. Not mentioning camera which is easily one of the best on the market, if not the best one.

In the few European countries where Pixel is on sale, it is more like 100 euros above the average price of 300 euros for mid-range phones.

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Post by kaba0 »

vuln wrote: post #129
jeroenhd wrote: post #110

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You won't have much luck trying to combine an official Apple stylus with an iPhone. It's kind of a shame with how big phones have gotten over the years. Samsung has some phones that have the necessary screen support for their styluses, sometimes even if the phone didn't come with one, but that's only in very few models.

There's the Apple Pencil, currently works on iPadOS but I don't see a reason why apple will not push the features to / it will at least be incorporated within the blend of macOS, iOS, and iPadOS. I can currently use the Apple Pencil as a _dumb stylus / pen_ on my iPhone 2022 SE (not that it's necessary but just to see if it can be done).

> I can currently use the Apple Pencil as a _dumb stylus / pen_ on my iPhone 2022 SE

How can you do that? My apple pencil (the new gen) doesn’t even register as a dumb stylus on my iphone 12 pro max.

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Post by kaba0 »

_aavaa_ wrote: post #123
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #10

I guess my question is - why do I care about geekbench? When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Because it's been years for me. The good news I hear is that Samsung is finally improving their battery life. That is a score that I actually care about.

> When was the last time someone who doesn't play games on their phone thought "man, I wish this was faster"? Whenever I have to use an older phone to do anything. App and web developers seem to be in an arms race with moore's law to see if they can waste the extra resources faster than hardware manufacturers can provide them.

Note: they can. Moore’s law didn’t end in its original form (we do get more transistors per unit still), but the usual interpretation of “faster CPUs” are long gone. So hopefully stronger focus on performance will happen soon.

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Post by kaba0 »

bhc wrote: post #249
seanmcdirmid wrote: post #90

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lithium batteries are easy and profitable to recycle. Yes, something is lost (recycling isn't free), but it isn't going to into a landfill.

Less than 1 percent of Lithium-ion batteries get recycled in the US and EU. https://arstechnica.com/science/2022/04/lithium-costs-a-lot-...

And how is 1% of only batteries worse than throwing away the entire phone?
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