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Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by RangerScience »

geraldwhen wrote: post #398
twodave wrote: post #106

Uncharacteristically off-topic comment from me, I guess, but when do humans get to a point where we no longer have to appeal to the lowest common denominator? How are our relationships supposed to improve if we dub anything that makes us uncomfortable as "taboo" and steer clear of it? I get that on the Internet there is a lot of anonymity (though less than there used to be) that folks tend to abuse, but at the same t…

That ship has sailed, in America at least. There are two sides: one who believes in freedom of speech, and the other that would jail or worse others for their speech. Being honest and open about nearly any topic could get you fired, so it’s much simpler to be highly guarded with who you interact with.

As always, if you think this is a ship that sailed “recently”, I have bad news for you.

Among other examples, McCarthyism.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by notch898a »

crote wrote: post #355
temp_account_32 wrote: post #299

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Have 40% transgender people attempted suicide primarily because they are being bullied by society or because they have a mental disorder where their body doesn't match their brain and they become depressed because it is physically impossible to reconcile those differences, so they spiral into despair? Genuine question, I just don't know how to tiptoe around this in a 2023 acceptable way without asking it bluntly. Sou…

The medical community didn't delegate it to society. Transitioning is an effective and proven treatment, which has a far higher rate of success than basically any other psychiatry-related treatment. The medical part is pretty much solved, and those physical differences can be reconciled quite well. But as it turns out, the hate from society still remains, and it still has an effect. Turns out being happy is a bit tri…

It would be false equivalence for me to suggest this is a suitable analogue, but it is interesting to note certain amputees are able to perform more or less completely normally from a social perspective in daily life (and possible even excel in sports etc) yet they can still suffer from phantom limb syndrome and have increased risk of suicide, anxiety etc.

There is clearly a significant social aspect here but I'm not willing to toss out that the body may just really not enjoy not being naturally in the expected configuration. Going to the gender you want seems to be partially solved but, like the person with the lost limb, it's doubtful we have anything close to a full substitute. I really worry the medical community has been doing a dis-service to the development of treatment by underplaying the suicidal aspects that may be less socially related.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by ben_w »

throwaway894345 wrote: post #260
ben_w wrote: post #226

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I always have to look up if it was Socrates or Plato who got sentenced to death for simultaneously being an atheist and worshiping new gods his city didn't recognise. Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. (And whatever the merits and demerits of unrestricted free speech, a machine that isn't deemed capable of personhood shouldn't g…

> Point is, you may not like it, but merely being cancelled rather than straight up executed is why we live in the good times. Yeah, but we lived in (slightly) better times a decade ago. This reminds me of the discourse around crime rates. People who want to downplay the soaring crime rates tell us that we have nothing to be upset about--sure, homicides are up 70% on the decade, but if you zoom out to the 90s, homici…

> Yeah, but we lived in (slightly) better times a decade ago.

Unless you literally mean the year 2013 (which was mostly OK IMO), I disagree.

As a broad trend, groups were different, and the responses harsher in the past.

If you were gay a few decades ago, "don't ask don't tell" was a way to keep you safe in the military because of an extraordinarily vicious murder.

I've seen documentaries about polyamory which end with "this person was fired as a direct result of having appeared in this show".

I've read books by Wiccans talking about the times bullets went through their hotel windows.

The world is shockingly different even compared to my childhood; mostly for the better, even despite that I feel there are several things that have become worse.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by pvaldes »

Rename it to Ellen Degeneres-Seinfeld, a trans, electron-fluid gendered, AI that feels like a woman while fighting with men for earning a place in modern stand-by comedy. End of the problem. It is not offensive if is self-deprecating humor based in the ram memories of a true transinstor. Everybody loves a happy end.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by robertlagrant »

Levitz wrote: post #303
CharlesW wrote: post #240

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> This time it's just pure AI, and as such pure stupidity from the censor. The developer confirmed that inappropriate content was generated when they switched language models, so the moderation process worked fine.

I think the point being made is that jokes don't imply hatred per se. If I say "Spanish people are lazy fucks" that sounds offensive and might be considered racist, but I myself am Spanish and that context changes its meaning. We generally strive away from racist jokes because as a society we are concerned that we are furthering racist ideologies otherwise. For a more explicit example, if a person says "I'm tired of…

I don't think these debates are about meaning or intention any more. The closest I can get to succinctly is they behave more like group-based politeness laws.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by crote »

yesco wrote: post #318
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

>It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. I certainly won't deny that trans people go through a lot, but stuff like this is honestly getting hard to take seriously. It's commonly repeated but going on about their "existence" itself being denied just sounds over dramatic. I don't think…

Maybe you should look up Trump's speech from a couple of days ago. He argued that transitioning at any age should be banned, and that gender-affirming healthcare should be banned by all federal agencies.

Or maybe look at the law Arkansas tried to pass, where any public performance whatsoever by a transgender person would be considered an "adult performance", because they would be wearing clothes which are not traditionally associated with their assigned gender at birth.

That kind of thought is becoming increasingly common among right-wing American politicians, and I do not know of any other way to describe it than trying to deny the existence of trans people. I really wish this was all just an exaggeration, but unfortunately it really is this bad.

Re: AI Generated Seinfeld banned on Twitch for transphobic jokes

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Post by mrguyorama »

influx wrote: post #377
mjamesaustin wrote: post #219

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It's weird to talk about missing an element of human empathy regarding the topic of trans individuals, whose very existence is unacceptable to a broad swath of the population. 40% of transgender people have attempted suicide. The public dialogue around trans lives is one of very little empathy, respect, or civility. People are on this thread casually debating whether this joke "went to far" or not, while the people w…

Gilbert Godfrey famously made a 9/11 joke that “bombed” on September 29, 2001. If you eliminate all comedy that offends someone, there won’t be much left to laugh about.

Except that's a part of comedy. Pete Davidson makes jokes about his dad dying in 9/11 all the time and they are hilarious. Just pointing at a shitty thing isn't comedy, you have to actually write a joke.
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