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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mardifoufs »

mabbo wrote: post #3

Hey America, is everything okay down there? Y'all have some truly dystopian stuff going on there. Felony prosecution for showing kids books that the Governor didn't approve of? Yikes.

Canada literally suspended its entire charter and its constitutional rights not even a year ago. But I guess we really like to sneer at the americans and project while looking the other way or coming up with excuses when we do much worse. The inferiority complex here in canada would be funny if it wasn't so pathetic.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

epicureanideal wrote: post #418
PuppyTailWags wrote: post #400

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I mean, schooling children at all is ideological: it's literally built on the ideology that we should have an educated populace. I'm really confused by this statement.

Indoctrinating children with views that their parents would object to is not the proper purpose of public education. The vast majority of parents are happy for their children to learn reading, writing, arithmetic, and so on. Specific political views, or that people with their skin color inherited historical evil, is something else entirely.

I mean, I agree that public education generally doesn't intend to indoctrinate children with views that their parents would object to. For one, that'd be nearly impossible to perform in a classroom setting because 30 kids would definitely have parents from a wide variety of backgrounds so you'd have to indoctrinate each with different beliefs individualized to the parents.

I think I'm missing your point here because you seem to not mind the indoctrination that is the basis of having a public education system in the first place, but you started with protesting public education's indoctrination in general, and then when you narrowed it, of course I agree with you because it's never worked that way because it'd be logistically impossible and therefore it most certainly isn't happening right now and therefore unrelated to your original protesting of indoctrination.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by nobody9999 »

mikrotikker wrote: post #422
ElfinTrousers wrote: post #321

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Conservatism requires an underclass, so, both I guess?

You're hilarious. The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes. They really got you vibing on that us v them toxicity don't they.

>The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes

The data[0] doesn't support that claim.

[0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by PuppyTailWags »

mikrotikker wrote: post #420
jterrys wrote: post #104

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I 100% guarantee you that this has nothing to do with smart kids like you being unable to read big brain books but rather intentionally vague and loose language being used to curtail what the school administration and parents consider morally objectionable material.

I consider the "Gender Queer" book morally objectionable for children. Go read it and tell me you don't either.

I read it and it seems perfectly fine for teenagers. Go Ask Alice has been something specifically marketed to the same age group for over 50 years and is about a 15-year-old girl being drugged against her will, setting of a spiral off addiction, sex, being raped while on drugs, committing prostitution for drugs, and eventually the death of the protagonist from drug addiction.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by lostmsu »

nobody9999 wrote: post #427
lostmsu wrote: post #411

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> you don't come right out and say what you mean, rather than using inference and innuendo: You don't like what other folks want, so you want to ban it, or at least discredit those you believe disagree with you > Please do correct me if I'm wrong. The parent comment quite right out says the problem is prioritization. I'd rather see "critical thinking, first order logic and math" in place of "civic engagement". You sa…

>The parent comment quite right out says the problem is prioritization. Actually, the grandparent comment[0] says nothing of the sort. mfer brings up prioritization in their response [1] to my comment. >You say yourself "you should never, metaphorically (and literally) speaking, hand someone a gun unless you know where they're going to point it". I do. And teaching civics is that gun. And understanding how our govern…

>Actually, the grandparent comment[0] says nothing of the sort. mfer brings up prioritization in their response[1] to my comment.

This is a rather lengthy response that starts wrong in the very first paragraph. From [0]:

> With the school his is from, look at what their vision isn't. It's not to create well educated people who can excel at their jobs. Their vision isn't to create people who are self sustaining adults who can operate in society.

> Their vision is to get people civically engaged around certain forms of change.

This reads to me clear as day as mfer saying they should prioritize ~getting educated people with skills~ over ~civically engaged~ + ~certain forms of change~.

The comment [1] that you referred to was not even published yet when I started writing mine. I will only be off to read his own response after I finish this one.

To add to that, neither mfer's comment, nor mine ever imply civics are not important and should not be taught.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by [deleted] »

ccn0p wrote: post #404
dvlsg wrote: post #305

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Voter disenfranchisement has been part of the playbook for a long time now. Take this issue for example - if this passes, and a teacher gets a felony from suggesting a book off of the pre approved list, they probably can't vote anymore.

Most felons in Florida are allowed to vote [1]. [1] https://www.findlaw.com/voting/my-voting-guide/can-felons-vo...

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Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mikrotikker »

InitialLastName wrote: post #425
mikrotikker wrote: post #420

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I consider the "Gender Queer" book morally objectionable for children. Go read it and tell me you don't either.

I consider parts of the Old Testament morally objectionable for children, but I'm willing to recognize the value other people see in it.

Agree. Children should not be indoctrinated with religion either.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mikrotikker »

PuppyTailWags wrote: post #434
mikrotikker wrote: post #420

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I consider the "Gender Queer" book morally objectionable for children. Go read it and tell me you don't either.

I read it and it seems perfectly fine for teenagers. Go Ask Alice has been something specifically marketed to the same age group for over 50 years and is about a 15-year-old girl being drugged against her will, setting of a spiral off addiction, sex, being raped while on drugs, committing prostitution for drugs, and eventually the death of the protagonist from drug addiction.

Teenagers, yep, remove the porn and its fine for teenagers. A cautionary tale for them that might help them realize people pushing the gender ideology are usually fucked up child abuse survivors who need therapy for the abhorrent crimes that were done to them.

Re: Unapproved books now a felony in Manatee County schools

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Post by mikrotikker »

nobody9999 wrote: post #433
mikrotikker wrote: post #422

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're hilarious. The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes. They really got you vibing on that us v them toxicity don't they.

>The democrats thrive on welfare recipient votes The data[0] doesn't support that claim. [0] https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-rec...

That data does not dispute the claim.
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