I liberate the ending to Minecraft from Microsoft and give it to you

Post by vkazanov » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 12:52 PM UTC

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Knowing some superartistic and talented people, I generally agree. But Mick's case is very different. Mojang did pay, the guy did write, it's just that the guy wanted more than there was there in the informal agreement. Mick Gordon did sign, idSoftware did not follow the contract, failed to pay on multiple occasions and did not even try to come back to reason in the longer term. Then there's the whole OST story, whic…

I just read that story of Mick Gordon, and man, if even half of that is true, Id massively screwed up. Marty and Id owe Mick a ton of money. It's painful to see Mick constantly return to submit to the abuse because he knows they have more expensive lawyers than he does. Marty shouldn't get to work in this industry ever again after such blatant malicious incompetence. At least that's my reading of it after first heari…

Post by pclmulqdq » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 12:58 PM UTC

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reminds me recently of voice actors who think they are entitled for a bigger piece of the piece just because the game they worked on for a few hours had financial success. Hubris and pretentiousness at its best.

They are free to negotiate as they are pleased. If the producer feels that they can find a cheaper acceptable alternative they will go with that. If they feel what the voice actor is offering is needed they need to pay for it. > the game they worked on for a few hours Voice acting is a hard job, and it takes more time than a “few hours” to get good at it. If you think anyone can do it certainly you can just pay an an…

Post by [deleted] » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 1:07 PM UTC

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If he actually received $20,000 that still seems like a lot? Especially in a world where freelance writing is $0.01-$0.50 (pre-GPT3). And it sounds like at the time it was good money for the artist. I get that he feels like he was given a small amount relative to the great success of Minecraft, but I would hope he also realizes that it was risk free cash.

reminds me recently of voice actors who think they are entitled for a bigger piece of the piece just because the game they worked on for a few hours had financial success. Hubris and pretentiousness at its best.

Post by BlueTemplar » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 1:10 PM UTC

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You haven't answered the question. That Mojang paid some money isn't disputed. What they paid for is the unknown. > It is a reasonable amount of money for the kind of work that was completed. Paying to use something isn't the same as paying to own it and from what we know use vs own wasn't clarified at the time. > Both sides didn't clear up the legal side of things, yes, but it doesn't change the fact that both were…

Well, they payed for this text to be included in the game (for further distribution, obviously). That's a bad legal definition. It needs a clarification which usually comes in a form of a contract. Mojang clearly acted un-professionally: there's money on the table without a clear job definition. What happens with the copyright? Authorship? Should the author be mentioned in the game? etc. Same goes to the writer, obvi…

Post by paulcole » Thu, Dec 08, 2022, 1:14 PM UTC

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This is really interesting to compare both general opinion on HN and on this subreddit. On HN, a place probably filled with technical guys, people are generaly putting themselves in dev shoes. They are accusing the author of feeling entitled to more money because he felt like he was part of the team and that he think his work is equaly important as the work of everyone else. Devs being devs generaly know that coding…

It's a bit sad because I think many here are missing the lesson to be learnt - artists want to be treated as artists (with emotion rather than rationality). When you treat them as cold hearted rational contractors, this kind of mess occurs. I'm reminded of a similar event with the Doom soundtrack https://medium.com/@mickgordon/my-full-statement-regarding-d...