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Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by patrec »

aliqot wrote: post #252
prepend wrote: post #183

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I like your earnest request. I’ve followed mastodon for a while but have never known anyone else who uses it so didn’t get into a particular server. All the public servers didn’t really seem interesting to me. So this seemed like a problem for me as a loner as the people I actually knew weren’t going to join. Twitter, for all its flaws, is dead simple to join and start yelling.

Unless you dont have a telephone, like me. You get to sign up, then inevitably after your first tweet your account is flagged for review, requiring phone to interact further. I don't have a phone, I'm Amish, I just wanted an account to see the 4th and 5th posts in a "twitter thread" someone posted to HN and it keeps locking the screen with a signup/login modal after I scroll to the 3rd tweet in the thread. After a wh…

Replace `twitter.com` with `nitter.net`. There are browser extensions that will do it for you.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by bmitc »

macinjosh wrote: post #243
bmitc wrote: post #152

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In theory. The wealth gap and inequality would say otherwise. The percentage of people who own as much as the bottom 60% is in the sub thousandths of a percentage. It’s so small I can’t remember the amount of zeros after the decimal point.

Let's not throw out the baby with the bath water. Inequality is clearly a problem but at least way more people have basic necessities and modern conveniences than at any point in history. Capitalism isn't perfect but it is immensely more positive than anything else that has been tried.

> but at least way more people have basic necessities and modern conveniences than at any point in history

Maybe, but that's just because of the scale of our population. By the same token, more people are considered starving today than there were people even alive just around 200 years ago.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Hallucinaut »

A4ET8a8uTh0 wrote: post #319
manholio wrote: post #274

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> there are undesirables in this world. Sure there are undesirables in the world wide web: neo-nazies, Q-anon, pedos & NAMBLA, Russian propaganda, spammers and carders etc. Any platform that protects the freedom of speech for fringe groups will become a haven for them and will be eventually abandoned by mainstream users.

Yes. Normally, I do not think it has to be explicitly said, but this time it may be necessary. Speech that is not offensive does not require protection. If I say sun is shining, people will not try to deplatform me. Offensive ( and legal ) speech might cause that to happen. This is not acceptable and not part of the promise of this nation. And this is where some universal standards are necessary. But right now it is…

If it is a public square, then it is so because the majority of people choose to use it because of the controls and filtering and exclusion of "undesirables". If it's a company with a reach in billions that's because it provides, in its current form including filtering, a service that is valued (in attention time, if not dollars) by its users.

If one compels a Twitter to host things it has decided people don't want to see, why aren't we compelling the Kochs and Murdoch's of the world to support equally "leftist" positions? It's frankly an incoherent position that Twitter should be compelled to behave a certain way and yet Rupert can continue spouting his propaganda for literal generations unimpeded.

It's still an absolute dumpster fire regardless.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by _-david-_ »

brethil wrote: post #58

Is he talking about ActivityPub[1, 2] and the Fediverse[3]? Just look at Mastodon[4, 5] if you're looking for something like twitter without the centralization and the corporate greed. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ActivityPub [2] https://activitypub.rocks [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fediverse [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mastodon_(software) [5] https://joinmastodon.org/servers

He is almost certainly talking about Bluesky. It was created by Twitter after all.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by slim »

McSwag wrote: post #429
warinukraine wrote: post #393

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I'm interpreting it otherwise because the conversation is superficial to the point of being meaningless. Akin to "hey I have an idea, why don't we make it better?" "That's a great idea, how do we make it better?" "Well let's improve some aspects" "Super interesting idea!"

When two billionaires walk into a bar…

To me it looks like two people not knowing each other trying carefully to set up a huge project with huge stakes

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Arathorn »

Helmut10001 wrote: post #238

Jack, are you speaking of the Matrix Protocol? [1] [1]: https://spec.matrix.org/ [2]: https://matrix.org/foundation/

We showed Matrix to Jack and Parag last year - https://matrix.org/blog/2020/12/18/introducing-cerulean/ was the demo. I think Jack might have been wanting with more BTC tho(?)

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by Arathorn »

pmayrgundter wrote: post #348

Someone tell Jack and Elon that matrix.org could use their support. Sounds just like what they're talking about. Someone tell Matthew and Amandine at Matrix that it does actually need Write-All support. The only bit lacking.

We showed Matrix to Jack via https://matrix.org/blog/2020/12/18/introducing-cerulean/ last year. We’re still hoping he may revisit it :)

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by [deleted] »

icare_1er wrote: post #82
feet wrote: post #24

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That's hilarious, because for someone with a literal degree in physics he doesn't seem to understand the physics at all

I don't find it hilarious. It is rather sad that stupid people who know nothing about physics, end up billionaires through tech companies/innocations, while physics genius like you remain anonymous on the internet.

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Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by yamtaddle »

lovich wrote: post #428
yamtaddle wrote: post #332

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> Like really, if we accept that proposition how would society function? Youd have people in charge of tens to hundreds of thousands of peoples daily lives and output who just pass the buck on any issues because they got orders? Is that in anyway functionality different from a monarchy? 1) Exactly as it does. You're looking at it. 2) Yeah, that's pretty much how it's going. Like, half the time they pass the buck even…

That is in no way describing left-libertarianism unless your critical of part three and think we should go back to one lord

Huh? No recognizing and being uncomfortable with this stuff is that step toward left-libertarianism. Not endorsing it. Guess I didn't make that clear enough.

Re: Jack Dorsey texts Elon Musk, March 26, 2022

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Post by [deleted] »

themenomen wrote: post #278
czbond wrote: post #220

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True - but most founders don't have any of those. I know many, many founders. They were all broke as f*ck for years to build it, living off a spouse working ... to magically exit. It ain't money, it's hard work eschewing the other opportunities many so quickly jump at. It's being there building long enough to have "the timing" work out for you. Or it's being so right with timing that you in essence lucked on that par…

"living off a spouse working" is not exactly "broke as f*ck". If that disappears, then yes, is mostly about money.

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