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Why does it need to send the audio twice? Surely both phones can listen to the same broadcast signal?
Bluetooth connections frequency hop among 79 bands to avoid interference. That way, you don't have to pick one channel and hope it stays clear, you just switch frequencies constantly and deal with the occasional hiccup. That means that when you pair devices, they share a key that synchronizes the pseudo-random choices for what frequencies the connection will use over time. So each connected device needs its own broad…
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Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades
#432My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…
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But why the hell is it autoplaying in the first place? Does apple really hate their customers/users so much that they can't make this an option? That's completely insane. The more I learn about apple, the more I see extremely hostile UI decisions for literally no reason
I believe what’s happening is that certain car stereos are programmed to basically send the “play” command as soon as a device is connected. From the phone’s perspective, it’s as if you had connected Bluetooth headphones and then pressed the “play/pause” button. I say this because my iPhone never autoplays when connecting to any Bluetooth audio device except for my car stereo. I agree it’s aggressive and should be ab…
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I sometimes wonder what the world would be like without FAANG. I'm lead to believe the world would be a better place if all companies would have a max company size of Bose, or Sennheiser. Then no stupid decisions could be pushed through by force, like the removal of the 3.5 mm jack. If the market really wants it, they will eventually vote with their wallet. Same goes with social media, fb killed off local country-spe…
3.5mm can go to hell for a phone. I’d prefer the waterproofing we have with iPhones nowadays. If you need an adapter they are available.
Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades
#435My car (Lexus) and my iPhone X: The car detects iPhone presence, like, 50% of the time. If it does detect it, it shows me a couple of half-naked shaved guys hugging each other and begins playing "Songs of Innocence" the moment I turn the ignition on. I tried deleting this song from the iPhone, but it auto-magically restores itself somehow, as if it is in the telephone's firmware. The image of men hugging in shade is…
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#436Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades
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> What makes complex tech components like Bluetooth any different? A hammer will be reliable if the user uses it correctly, which it's possible to do. With bluetooth I have the most popular, widely sold smartphone and the most popular, widely sold sports watch. They both claim to be compatible. I'm using both precisely as instructed. And sometimes they just.... don't see one another. This isn't user error.
Sorry but you completely misunderstood my argument. In this example you are not the customer of the hammer, as you're not the one buying the Bluetooth chips and SW/FW for them, but the phone/widget manufacturer is buying the hammer(chips) and he's responsible for using it correctly (FW and antenna design) to build a product where Bluetooth works well. But like I said in the comment above, if the phone/widget manufact…
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#438On top of that they both of course randomly activate Siri in my iPhone (despite me setting Siri to only activate if I press the side button) and they both auto play the same random song.
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Maybe Apple had a sinister plan here... First, they make all of their own Apple gear's bluetooth work really well with other Apple gear (which they generally do). Then get rid of the cables, and everyone else will copy Apple because that seems to be what other companies do. But everyone else's bluetooth implementations suck (which they generally do), so people think that Android/Samsung/etc aren't as good as Apple wh…
I dunno, people here report having problems with iPhones pairing to their cars. I never had a problem with Android phones pairing with my car. Or with my soundcores. As matter of fact, it works so much better, that even though my phone still has a 3.5mm, never thought I would have to use it and would be quite ok if my next phone came without. Back before I had my first soundcores I would always be annoyed with the co…
Well, not "pairing", but like 4 out of 5 times, the phone thinks it's outputting to the car's bluetooth, but is actually playing out of the phone speaker, and doesn't start outputting to the car until I switch the output from bluetooth to phone speaker and back again. And for some reason the Spotify app never implemented the thingie that lets you switch outputs, so I have to switch to a podcast app, do this little dance (treating my wife and kid to a little snippet of podcast), and then go to Spotify and play music.
Re: Bluetooth remains an 'unusually painful' technology after two decades
#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
But why the hell is it autoplaying in the first place? Does apple really hate their customers/users so much that they can't make this an option? That's completely insane. The more I learn about apple, the more I see extremely hostile UI decisions for literally no reason
Engagement is eating the world, maybe engagement is now driving these decisions, too. People who listen more, buy more, so optimize for time spent listening. My car and phone achieve a level of randomness that makes me wonder at the complexity of the software behind it. Usually it starts playing Music, but sometimes it's another app, especially if the last thing playing on my phone was YouTube. But sometimes it's You…
The OS itself is also responsible for managing where that "play" command goes, and because this is a mobile device it also manages what apps are in memory, which one owns media playback, etc. If nothing is currently playing, it has to pick something, because you pressed the play button and you're currently driving down an overextended highway at unconscionably American speeds and can't be arsed to care about what app's play button needs to be pressed.
Individual apps can also grab or drop the media playback role at any time. Maybe that game has some background sync nonsense to send you a bunch of notifications, and whenever it gets woken up to do that the game engine it was written on immediately tries to start media playback because nobody tested it for background use.
Music's inconsistent behavior sounds like someone didn't implement state resumption correctly.
The underlying problem is that nobody owns the whole experience and this all is supposed to happen without projecting selection UI to the user. The phone just hears "PLAY MUSIC DAMN YOU" and makes a shitty guess as to what you meant.