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Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by barrysteve »

rlt wrote: post #429
barrysteve wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you had a point you wouldn't be so flippant.

I made my point. Pointing to additional examples of grandiosity (some might call ambition) doesn't invalidate it. Neither do attacks on his character or lame arguments like "Tesla wasn't started by Musk" ignoring that he grew the company from 4 people to 100,000 people. Or that somehow recruiting large amounts of NASA and MIT talent is a bad thing? That's good leadership. Seriously? Either you're trolling or you have…

Oh you don't get what I mean. Yeah those things are good and I'm grateful for the progress SpaceX is making. What I want to know is how much is really attributable to Musk and what his Ego is really worth at the end of the day.

Lets remember the only reason he's around today is because some very rich people and NASA bailed him out. SpaceX left to just Musk's ability, ego and resources died in 2008.

He relies so much on mysticism for parting people from their money, eventually some people get fed up with the 'mysterious future and repeated failure' business model.

Expectations around his personal abilities should be lowered. His track record is not that great and it's a fact people call trolling. Sorry, not sorry.

The abilities that made spacex and tesla were hundreds of highly skilled engineers. Elon just raised money and is the face brand for japanese battery tech.

He's not worth worshipping and his incompetence is covered by idolatry.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by atonse »

TheAlchemist wrote: post #274
atonse wrote: post #265

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This is what I say when people call Musk a showman and a fraud. I say that I must be imagining that I’ve actually been driving an EV for the past four years. I must’ve dreamt having to drive only 2 hours out of a 12 hour road trip. Bugs? Yea. Some really dangerous ones we all have read about. Manufacturing defects? Yup! Missed Deadlines? Hell yeah. But a fraud? Nope.

You have a point. But did Theranos customers were thinking they were a fraud ? Nope - they were getting their blood test results done, although not in a way Theranos advertised. Of course the Tesla cars are not a fraud - they are actually pretty good - and for a long time they were the only EV out there. But it's no longer a case, and they are just becoming one of the 50 EV car makers out there. And Elon seems to kno…

While I wouldn’t just naively say Musk is 100% innocent, most of these examples are cases of really bad estimation.

Nobody would care about the slipped FSD timelines if they hadn’t paid for it. Tesla’s mistake was charging for it.

I chose not to pay for it since I knew his estimates were rubbish. But most don’t. Doesn’t mean It’s fraud. They have been working on it. And you can see it in people’s cars.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by dreamcompiler »

theluketaylor wrote: post #349
bhauer wrote: post #156

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> The screens melt in Arizona heat. That's a very old talking point about the original Model S screens from ~2012. Do you have any recent justification for this claim?

How many other cars do you know that turn their A/C on while stationary for ‘cabin overheat protection’? My 2021 model 3 did that this week while sitting in the sun in northern Ontario and was helpful enough to send a push notification to let me know. This is not to helpfully make sure the driver gets into a nice cool car when they finish their errand. It’s because the non-automotive grade screen isn’t rated or teste…

I take your point but to me this seems like a feature rather than a bug. Many of the plastic parts in most cars (not just Teslas) are degraded by oxidation in the greenhouse heat of the car being parked in the sun for a long time. Some of that oxidation is caused by UV, but to the extent that it's caused by heat, keeping the interior of the car somewhat cooler should prolong the life of its interior plastics.

This is not really an option in an ICE car because it would require running the engine. In an EV, it's easy.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by bhauer »

powerhour wrote: post #205
idop wrote: post #170

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https://reddit.com/comments/vt7w3d

Yeah but that was literally a week ago, got anything more recent?

About a 2013 vehicle. You need to be better than this to be convincing, especially with a green account.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by theluketaylor »

dreamcompiler wrote: post #433
theluketaylor wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How many other cars do you know that turn their A/C on while stationary for ‘cabin overheat protection’? My 2021 model 3 did that this week while sitting in the sun in northern Ontario and was helpful enough to send a push notification to let me know. This is not to helpfully make sure the driver gets into a nice cool car when they finish their errand. It’s because the non-automotive grade screen isn’t rated or teste…

I take your point but to me this seems like a feature rather than a bug. Many of the plastic parts in most cars (not just Teslas) are degraded by oxidation in the greenhouse heat of the car being parked in the sun for a long time. Some of that oxidation is caused by UV, but to the extent that it's caused by heat, keeping the interior of the car somewhat cooler should prolong the life of its interior plastics. This is…

vinyl and plastic degradation is a many years-long process before it has any real impact on the performance of the parts. Failure or yellowing of the non-automotive grade screen in a model 3 has been seen in just a few weeks or months.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by uoaei »

dekhn wrote: post #394
uoaei wrote: post #347

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I sincerely hope you are not this unpleasant in social settings.

when I float that joke in social settings in SF, everybody nods sagely

I've been in situations like this. In SF. I grew up here.

What you describe is the classic west coast non-confrontationalism. You're probably annoying enough that it's simply not worth it to counter anything you say because you just dive into a petty and self-aggrandizing argumentative mode.

Brash and confused conservatives think everyone agrees with them, but in reality people don't want to get caught up in absolute bullshit by joining any kind of interaction with them. This is a common pattern by now. You would do well to recognize it.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by Denzel »

carbadtraingood wrote: post #302
Denzel wrote: post #161

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Ok? As a Model 3 owner for 3+ years the car shows well and has been rock solid this whole time. > Parts break difficult to replace I think I had a set of squeaky control arms that Tesla replaced under warranty in less than a week, free of charge. I don’t remember because it was such a nonissue. Side swiped by another driver; dented my fender, bumper, smashed the headlight. Their insurance took fault, Tesla certified…

Yeah, I have an older model S. It could be my model just doesn't get the care that newer ones do, and my experience reflects an "early mover" experience. But I've had to replace door handles, sensors, memory, windshield, and a bunch of other stuff due to defects. The car stutters on the road at 50-55 mph, but is fine above that. It was awesome in 2015. It's a pain in the ass in 2022.

True, 2015 Teslas are much different (read: worse in some ways) than 2018 Teslas. That’s why I waited for them to improve the technology haha. Been following them since the Roadster’s R&D. I remember having to convince everybody back then that electric cars were going to be viable soon - no one believed Tesla could do it back then. Crazy how things have gone since.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by Denzel »

nunez wrote: post #330
Denzel wrote: post #161

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ok? As a Model 3 owner for 3+ years the car shows well and has been rock solid this whole time. > Parts break difficult to replace I think I had a set of squeaky control arms that Tesla replaced under warranty in less than a week, free of charge. I don’t remember because it was such a nonissue. Side swiped by another driver; dented my fender, bumper, smashed the headlight. Their insurance took fault, Tesla certified…

counterpoint: long drives have been improved significantly by Navigate on Autopilot, and the FSD Beta is nice. example: I live in Houston and needed to go to Dallas for a work trip. If my wife weren't using our Tesla that week (she drove it to Tennessee), I would have driven there (200-ish miles). I've done 1000+ mile trips with the Model 3 with zero issues, all because of "FSD." Despite having another car that I rea…

I don’t disagree. What I mean to say is that FSD is not worth $12k or whatever insane price it is today and there’s no sign that it’ll ever be worth it in the near-term 2 years. And when I say FSD I mean the literal FSD that’s supposed to navigate everything (city, highway, weather, etc) from one address to another address cross country with zero interventions.

With that said, yes I agree, highway driving with Autopilot is worth somewhere on the order of $1-2k to me personally. It’s made long highway drives a lot more pleasant — just used it this past July 4th for 500+ miles of highway driving.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by rlt »

barrysteve wrote: post #431
rlt wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I made my point. Pointing to additional examples of grandiosity (some might call ambition) doesn't invalidate it. Neither do attacks on his character or lame arguments like "Tesla wasn't started by Musk" ignoring that he grew the company from 4 people to 100,000 people. Or that somehow recruiting large amounts of NASA and MIT talent is a bad thing? That's good leadership. Seriously? Either you're trolling or you have…

Oh you don't get what I mean. Yeah those things are good and I'm grateful for the progress SpaceX is making. What I want to know is how much is really attributable to Musk and what his Ego is really worth at the end of the day. Lets remember the only reason he's around today is because some very rich people and NASA bailed him out. SpaceX left to just Musk's ability, ego and resources died in 2008. He relies so much…

I would care more about NASA “bailing him out” if there were even a single other reusable orbital class rocket.

“Just raised money” is patently false. He’s known for being extremely hands on with both Tesla and SpaceX.

I maintain you’re either trolling or ignorant.

Re: Andrej Karpathy leaves Tesla

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Post by lazyjones »

atonse wrote: post #432
TheAlchemist wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a point. But did Theranos customers were thinking they were a fraud ? Nope - they were getting their blood test results done, although not in a way Theranos advertised. Of course the Tesla cars are not a fraud - they are actually pretty good - and for a long time they were the only EV out there. But it's no longer a case, and they are just becoming one of the 50 EV car makers out there. And Elon seems to kno…

While I wouldn’t just naively say Musk is 100% innocent, most of these examples are cases of really bad estimation. Nobody would care about the slipped FSD timelines if they hadn’t paid for it. Tesla’s mistake was charging for it. I chose not to pay for it since I knew his estimates were rubbish. But most don’t. Doesn’t mean It’s fraud. They have been working on it. And you can see it in people’s cars.

> Nobody would care about the slipped FSD timelines if they hadn’t paid for it. Tesla’s mistake was charging for it.

I paid for it (€2500 or 3000 I don't remember) and I'm not stressed. I have the world's best "autopilot" (EAP) already in my 5 years old car and it's getting better and better.

Other vendors would have sold me a parking heater at that price (or higher).

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