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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by magicalist »

bavell wrote: post #426
imgabe wrote: post #349

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not a person you need to convince. I'm already on your side that abortion should be safe and legal. The way to do that is to enact laws that guarantee the right to abortion. People on the right are not a monolith. There may be a handful of lunatics who are raving about IVF or contraception, but that is not most of them. The pro-life people I've talked to online and in real life think abortion is just about irresp…

This is my position and 100% my experience as well. I appreciate you responding and engaging with others here in good faith, hopefully it will open some eyes and minds.

"Listen, we support sane policies (just not in practice due to the political leaders we vote for), but the most important thing to discuss in this situation is your rhetorical tone" is probably not the thing to pat yourselves on the back over.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by alfor »

hamburglar wrote: post #429
betwixthewires wrote: post #395

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The person you're responding to specifically said "one day before birth", I don't think you can find someone who credibly argues that a fetus at that stage is not a conscious human being. Whoever you're disagreeing with you're not responding to them.

Ok, well if he's only considering "one day before birth" scenarios he's gone reductio ad absurdum on the whole issue and he's also fighting a roughly nonexistent boogeyman. His own personal strawman, if you will.

It’s just a way to show that a fetus is still something. With pure materialist mindset we would say that it’s progressively closer to being a human as we get close to birth.

I find it strange that we get from zero value before birth to full human live once born and try to disregard the baby before birth.

I think we have to do a conscience examination, are we blind to something because it’s more convenient for us?

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by [deleted] »

trhway wrote: post #420
nyolfen wrote: post #417

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k-selection doesn't vote, and this entire event is the outcome of judicial review. this is like talking to an animist about the forest, you are mistaking the result for the agent. the direct corollary of your argument is that free will doesn't exist, so i don't know why you even bother with presenting an argument.

>k-selection doesn't vote, and this entire event is the outcome of judicial review. that event is just a wrinkle in the history of our and other species. The natural selection laws didn't start with humans and hopefully wouldn't end with us. >you are mistaking the result for the agent in evolution there is no difference between the result and the agent - every agent is a result of previous evolution, and every result…

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Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by noelherrick »

betwixthewires wrote: post #246
stjohnswarts wrote: post #108

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It's 70/30 and you know it. Americans support abortion in some form or another at 70%. The MAGA base do not, and they want other things like gay marriage, gay sex, and birth control also declared illegal.

I've never met a person who thinks birth control should be illegal. I am sure they're out there, but this "they're coming for your morning after pill next" is scaremongering. Gay sex is probably the same. Gay marriage I think you're probably right.

Thomas mentioned all the cases that made those protected rights. The way those cases would be overturned is if a state passed a law to prohibit them. He is sending a very clear message to legislatures that he would be receptive to hearing those cases. This is not hysteria and you are making the same arguments made about Roe. We have the roadmap, and it is very clear.

After privacy rights, Affordable Care Act, Social Security, and Medicare are all next.

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by thatnerdyguy »

refurb wrote: post #299
thatnerdyguy wrote: post #67

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Support for overturning Roe is actually around 30%

Pro-choice vs pro-life is pretty evenly split. Even on the pro-choice side there is a lot of variance on when abortion should be restricted (similar to how Europe restricts abortions the closer to full gestation). Same on the pro-life side, views aren’t binary. Considering most people don’t understand why Roe v Wade was overturned, I’m not sure opinions on whether it should have been mean much, since belief of what t…

Personal views of pro-life/pro-choice though can be separated from the question of "Does a woman have the fundamental right to terminate a pregnancy?", which seems to have much more support. Would a significant majority choose to do that themselves? Maybe not. But it seems the majority feel women DO have that right, and should be able to make that choice themselves.

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Post by noelherrick »

_gabe_ wrote: post #196
kristjansson wrote: post #55

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So the state should force them to make the choice you’d prefer?

I know, it's almost like when it comes to harming other people the state has some sort of power over us. I'm sure there are some people that would love to murder their neighbors. I mean, if that's their preference, why should the state intervene at all? If you're engaging in some activity that doesn't harm other individuals, go for it, who cares. In the case of an abortion, there's at least some gray area. I hope we…

If you actually believe that abortion is murder, then what you are saying is that you want to stop that and then make the would-be murderers to give birth to, to raise, and to pay for the victim they tried to murder. This is not a good plan.

When I held my baby newly delivered, I thought he was dead. He was not alive like the toddler who asks to read books on my lap now is. It is not a binary of life is there or not.

We also do not force in any other circumstance one human to give up their body for another. You may have a kidney disease and I have two healthy ones with no other conditions, but you have no right to my body. Children do not have the right to their mother's body at any stage.

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Post by refurb »

thatnerdyguy wrote: post #435
refurb wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pro-choice vs pro-life is pretty evenly split. Even on the pro-choice side there is a lot of variance on when abortion should be restricted (similar to how Europe restricts abortions the closer to full gestation). Same on the pro-life side, views aren’t binary. Considering most people don’t understand why Roe v Wade was overturned, I’m not sure opinions on whether it should have been mean much, since belief of what t…

Personal views of pro-life/pro-choice though can be separated from the question of "Does a woman have the fundamental right to terminate a pregnancy?", which seems to have much more support. Would a significant majority choose to do that themselves? Maybe not. But it seems the majority feel women DO have that right, and should be able to make that choice themselves.

That’s my point. When asked “should abortion be legal?” It’s about 60/40 split.

If you asked “would you get an abortion?” The numbers are likely more skewed.

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Post by diob »

magicalist wrote: post #431
bavell wrote: post #426

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is my position and 100% my experience as well. I appreciate you responding and engaging with others here in good faith, hopefully it will open some eyes and minds.

"Listen, we support sane policies (just not in practice due to the political leaders we vote for), but the most important thing to discuss in this situation is your rhetorical tone" is probably not the thing to pat yourselves on the back over.

Right? It screams of privilege.

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Post by diob »

imgabe wrote: post #349
diob wrote: post #338

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Literally talking to you and trying to get you convinced that things are at stake is doing something. I'm also active in my local community trying to change things. Why can't I do both? It's not one or the other. That's another problem y'all folks have beyond goalposts, you think we can't both talk and do. We have to raise awareness, and do. Especially with how stacked the legislative is in our country to favor minor…

I'm not a person you need to convince. I'm already on your side that abortion should be safe and legal. The way to do that is to enact laws that guarantee the right to abortion. People on the right are not a monolith. There may be a handful of lunatics who are raving about IVF or contraception, but that is not most of them. The pro-life people I've talked to online and in real life think abortion is just about irresp…

Who did you vote for?

Re: Google says US employees can relocate to states with abortion rights

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Post by [deleted] »

bogota wrote: post #298
rybosome wrote: post #177

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It’s happening. I think it’s going to get way worse than most people believe.

Yep. They have already started talking about reversing marriage rights and contraception as well. It’s funny that an unelected body is now going to destroy the US and revert things that are clearly the majority opinion of the population. Im glad I have dual citizenship because It does feel like the next 4 years is going to be a very sharp downturn (socially) in the US.

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