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Post by mathstuf »

mikepurvis wrote: post #209
mathstuf wrote: post #172

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I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

I'm currently on my first and last XPS, a 9570. I really wanted to love it, but there's just too much about it that is a complete disaster, particularly around power management, wake behaviour, and thermals. I know I haven't exactly babied it, what with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic, but the battery is shot at this point— getting barely an hour of lif…

> with it having been plugged in in my home office for basically two straight years during the pandemic

Yeah, my second seems to have succumbed to that as well. There's a setting in the BIOS that says "I plan on keeping this plugged in all the time" and it'll do better battery management that way.

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Post by dumpsterdiver »

olliej wrote: post #389
stjohnswarts wrote: post #315

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Am I the only one who just ignored the touchbar and didn't take it as a personal affront?

The problem I have with the touchbar isn't the existence of it, it's that apparently my keyboard posture is terrible and I float fingers up their periodically. Because there's no force requirement for activation, I would keep triggering buttons. I could turn it off, but there are a few of the command/f buttons I use regularly, and so am stuck with it. Hence, it's a nuisance. Not something I go insane about like some…

> apparently my keyboard posture is terrible and I float fingers up their periodically

Same. The short time I was exposed to the touchbar it felt like I was constantly being berated for my keyboard posture. Apparently the "at rest" position of my left hand leaves my middle/ring fingers hovering over the escape key (I had the earlier model that didn't have a physical escape key).

Not to mention losing access to the physical f-keys decimated my custom hotkey usage for certain software.

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Post by okwubodu »

mathstuf wrote: post #172
Andrew_nenakhov wrote: post #52

All i want is a laptop with similar build quality, battery life, and Ubuntu.

I like the XPS 13 line myself. The 93xx line lasted all night when I forgot to shut the lid one evening (9+ hours) with Fedora (after running `powertop` and doing its tweaks). But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware (the trackpad, touchbar, keyboard, mouse, etc. are all inferior IMO), so maybe you're looking for something different there.

> But I'm also a "weirdo" who doesn't like Apple-made hardware

Please, it’s not that weird of an opinion.

> (the trackpad […] are all inferior IMO)

Oh.

But I think I agree when it comes to anything like drag-and-drop.

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Post by seabriez »

rastignack wrote: post #393
PraetorianGourd wrote: post #20

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Please talk to anyone outside of the start-up/tech world and ask them about the technology they use. A majority don't give a toss about M1 or M2 or ARM vs. x86 or anything else that seems to get so many in the tech world so excited. They care about Excel, they care about backwards compatibility, they care about centralized management. Apple _may_ take over the consumer space but this will be more due to the shift fro…

I’m working for a big bank. They now offer Mac workstations to be able to hire the best devs. I would have never expected a Unix workstation in such a corporate setup when I started 15 years ago.

It's a gimmick. Best devs dont us MacOS, lol. There's probably some cohort of frontend that try to look "cool." But any dev doesn't fall for that fluff. FFS, Apple just announced memory swapping as a feature on their iPad, a feature that's literally been around since 1970s. That's laughable and sad, any dev worth their salt would know this.

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Post by sliken »

edgefield wrote: post #228
PragmaticPulp wrote: post #203

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> It's very interesting to think the processor releases were holding back the Mac for so long. Apple also made a huge leap forward with their cooling designs. Making the laptop thicker and investing in proper cooling design made a huge difference. My M1 laptop is significantly quieter than my old Intel laptop at the same power consumption level. It’s not even close. Apple’s last generation chassis and cooling solutio…

100% agree. The last generation of MacBook pros with intel processors were virtually unusable for zoom calls or any intensive processing power tasks.

I got a late model MBP 16" i9. Zoom, Teams video confs, backups, and anything else even mildly intensive and it would ramp up to impressively loud levels, enough for people in the next room to ask what the noise was.

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Post by ladyanita22 »

corrral wrote: post #372
smlacy wrote: post #358

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So you're saying that BSD has better power management than Linux? Would love to see some real research and analysis on this.

My claim is that macOS and iOS have far better power management than Linux or Windows, or Android, respectively. Possibly that's directly due to their BSD heritage, but I doubt it.

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Post by saagarjha »

skavi wrote: post #349
clintonwoo wrote: post #258

Ouch, that MacBook Pro 13" chassis makes me hurt. The air actually has a better body, that's disappointing. The display size, magsafe and function keys are all better on Air but it doesn't have a fan for sustained performance :'(

As far as I can tell, there is almost no reason for the 13” MBP to exist.

Lots of people like computers that have "pro" in the name…

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Post by pmulard »

jklinger410 wrote: post #7
kyleplum wrote: post #2

I can't help but wonder what Microsoft's answer to Apple Silicon will be going forward. They don't really make hardware, but selling Windows laptops gets harder and harder the further Apple gets ahead. It seems inevitable that there needs to be some ARM-based Windows laptops to compete in perf/watt to the M1/M2 but I don't know what company can provide an ARM chip that competes with Apple at this point.

Microsoft is a company full of bureaucrats who don't care about their product. Apple is going to take over the computing world here shortly.

I have to disagree on this. Microsoft has gone out of their way to support their legacy software on older systems, and it's a huge reason companies in the IT and IoT sector have stayed with them all these years.

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Post by markmark »

arcticfox wrote: post #373
dmix wrote: post #202

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Apple doesn't really have to worry about competition too much for a long time, even if Intel and AMD get comparable watt/power levels for laptops, Apple isn't going to be using them for their products anytime soon. And people using Macbooks aren't likely to switch to Windows/Linux machines, even if there is a 20% better CPU. But really we've only had 2.5 released cycles so far. Not much to go by.

I might be a very small minority but I'd personally switch back to Linux in an instant if there was something comparable to the M series hardware

I'm considering getting an M2 Air even though I very much don't like OSX.

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Post by thebean11 »

mathstuf wrote: post #428
lostlogin wrote: post #216

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What are you after in a trackpad? I think this is the best feature of the laptops.

I am rough with mine (my first uses were on some IBM tank from the late 80s/early 90s when I was young and a Lenovo T61 in college). Spurious clicks and taps happen all the time when I end up using the things. I have spent minutes trying to get an Apple trackpad to perform to drag and drop and instead having it do every other thing from extra clicks on the way to zooming to running out of space when I get to the edge…

Have you tried 3 finger drag? So much nicer than needing to apply pressure.
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