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Google’s AI-powered ‘inclusive warnings’ feature is very broken

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Post by zeveb »

madamelic wrote: post #189
dymk wrote: post #115

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not what the word "objectively" means Whitelist and blacklist are the words we've been using for decades to describe a concept. Everybody knows what they mean.

> words we've been using for decades to describe a concept. Yeah, and so was calling black men "boy" or using the n-word like 50 years ago. Language changes because people realize there are better words that more people are okay with.

'Whitelist' and 'blacklist' have nothing to do with race, they never had anything to do with race, and anyone who thinks they do is, quite simply, wrong. Knowing these facts, this is nothing like calling a black man 'boy' or using the n-word — so bringing them up is irrelevant.

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Post by uoaei »

dekhn wrote: post #13

One of the reasons I left google is that their "content moderation team" (the folks who make you take down wrongthink memes) is so far out of touch, that somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. They simply didn't know that was the case! And if that's the people who are moderating content... I said motherboard all the time in meetings and chats, ne…

Holy straw man, Batman!

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Post by tomrod »

mgraczyk wrote: post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

Google is a large corporation. Large corporations will often enact arcane rulesets to give HR ways to manipulate their labor costs. This really sounds a lot like why this type of approach would be supported.

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Post by CuriouslyC »

snek_case wrote: post #382
CuriouslyC wrote: post #227

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Well they're not trying to raise up men, they're trying to destroy any notion of gender, see "gender is a social construct".

They'd do a lot better if it was pitched as giving people the freedom to dress and act as they desired as long as they weren't hurting anyone else, rather than trying to act like biology wasn't a thing.

I have zero problems with people dressing however they like, having whatever affectations they want and having sex with whoever is willing. I might not always find it tasteful, but that cuts both ways I'm sure so we can agree to be civil. The buck stops when you try to shame me for not calling a man a woman. Using pronouns should be a kindness like holding the door open for a disabled person, not something that sends emotional children into a socially supported temper tantrum when absent.

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Post by causalmodels »

akhmatova wrote: post #425
causalmodels wrote: post #266

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Because it leads to confusion. Example: Is the proprietor of a bar the person running it or the landlord who owns the building?

Actually, it is generally understood that the owner/proprietor of a bar is the business owner (aka license owner) -- and that this in general is not the same person who owns the bricks. A more clearcut case of semantic confusion I can see a crappy AI creating out of the blue would be: "My proprietor said if I didn't pay the rent soon she was gonna ..." Which clearly has a very different (and basically nonsensical) me…

Agreed, I was just trying give an example of why using proprietor would create confusion.

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Post by MrBlueIncognito »

azth wrote: post #192
mgraczyk wrote: post #9

In the article they use the example of "Motherboard" and "Landlord" and seem to suggest that these are areas where the Google AI is making mistakes or being overly strict. As a Google employee expressing my own opinion and observations of company culture, I can say that these are 100% not mistakes. Many Google employees are just so out of touch with the real world that they believe it is the duty of Google Docs to ch…

I had mentioned this in the previous post about this topic[1], yet some people casually discredit it as nothing. The slippery slope is real folks [1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31086310&p=3#31087238

People like turning a blind eye to what they feel uncomfortable accepting. That the world we live in is being increasingly influenced by just a few profit-maximizing entities.

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Post by grishka »

bagels wrote: post #423
grishka wrote: post #269

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> somebody had to explain to them there are people in the world who are discriminated against, but aren't black. As a Russian, this is amusing to read. For me and most people I know, when you meet a black person, it's totally normal to ask them "where are you from" because they can't possibly be local. Our society just doesn't have the concept of racism it seems because of the exceeding rarity of people who aren't Eu…

A black person could not have been born and raised in a Russian city?

This is of course entirely possible, but would be extremely unusual. I personally haven't ever met a black Russian.
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