Google giveth, and Google taketh away. Blessed be the name of Google.
Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
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I don't understand why the fear of being sued is not preventing Google (and other big players) from misusing their position like this. Is it impossible to sue Google?
They have in house council coming out their ears, that know the relevant contracts, regulation and precedents by heart, and whose day job it is to manage these issues. They have the budget to delay / protract things indefinitely. You are paying hundreds of dollars per hour to someone who is discovering your issue. It's possible,sure. But how do you think that's going to play out? Unless you lost kin, or a 5 million d…
The aim of the lawsuit threat, would not be to actually sue but to get someone to reinstate your account.
The whole idea is that you get a lawyer to be taken seriously instead of been dismissed.
It costs them money to have their lawyers look over a letter from your lawyer. It costs them nothing to ignore your emails. It also separates you from most scammers, that would not get a lawyer because their position is bullshit but will 100% send a bunch of emails to googles support.
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> Google is much more profitable than your bank, and this is why. That's not correct. Google is more profitable because it is a monopoly and routinely engages in illegal anti-competitive behavior. It's precisely because this is the case that it's able to have nonexistent customer service and stay in business.
Ahh yes, Google the bastion of unethical business practices in comparison to.... checks notes banks....
They're not as evil as e.g. Goldman Sachs, but they're significantly more evil than several local banks that I actually use.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
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> Google is much more profitable than your bank, and this is why. That's not correct. Google is more profitable because it is a monopoly and routinely engages in illegal anti-competitive behavior. It's precisely because this is the case that it's able to have nonexistent customer service and stay in business.
Ahh yes, Google the bastion of unethical business practices in comparison to.... checks notes banks....
Well, yeah. Bankers would go to jail [1] for the kind of market manipulation google does on ad markets [2]. The realization may not have dawned on our industry yet, but the abuses big tech is currently into are the kind that gave banks their reputation, and also their regulation.
[1] e.g.: https://www.bbc.com/news/business-36737666
[2] among others: https://www.forbes.com/sites/enriquedans/2021/01/19/jedi-blu...
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#436Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…
Guilt by association is the kind of thing people create when they want to terrorize a population for control. It not existing is a basic human right.
What we are seeing is a monopolist abusing its power by directly harming somebody and the civil society refusing to acknowledge any harm. And it's doing so by the most visible power demonstration it can.
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They were cheering it on a week or two ago when it was against Russians. My favorite was when they were licking their lips and reaching ecstasy over Parler getting deplatformed but then throwing a tantrum like a week later when Terraria dev got banned by Google. Terraria guy and this guy simply need to build their own Google, Gmail, Play Store, and Android, easy! ;)
> They were cheering it on a week or two ago when it was against Russians. Tired of seeing people equate war crimes to Google screwing over some company.
Tired of people not complaining about war crimes in Yemen, Libya, Somalia, Afghanistan, Iraq, etc.
Re: Google terminated our Developer Account, says it is “associated”
#438Everyone here is commenting about overautomation, but this isn't an overautomation problem. It's a secondary sanctions problem. The developer isn't being banned for breaking Google's rules, he's being banned for having hired someone else who later broke those rules; and then that ban was transitively applied to their personal account as well. This is beyond the pale. Google should not have the power to decide who you…
> Google should not have the power I can't help but notice the "they're a private company, so they can do whatever they want" folks that pop up whenever somebody's account gets banned for political views are strangely silent right now...
Maybe people getting banned from twitter for their political views is a bit different from people getting banned from their work means because the son of an ex-coworker abused youtube in some way?
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Microsoft has a very usable online version that's free (with a bit of upsell here and there). Arguably more capable than Google Docs.
Out of the frying pan and into the fire. Of course, I'm being a little flippant, but the MS ecosystem is not without its problems. A colleague has 3 MS accounts for dealing with 3 different things (a government contract, a 3rd party company contract, our company account). Because of this, he was in hell for days because of some fubar on the MS side. I have (seemingly!) different MS accounts, for Azure development and…
MS Azure accounts always seemed odd and overly convoluted to me. I had an issue with my personal Microsoft account where I couldn’t sign up for an Azure trial (wanted to kick the tires on Codespaces before it moved to GitHub). Turned out, my account got associated to my kids’ schools MS account because that email address was on a school mailing list. That was a pain (and many hours) to get figured out.
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Google is dealing with a very real problem. There are bad actors, particularly internationally, who systematically and at scale try to subvert / cheat. This includes multiple accounts, and businesses that hire folks who try to cheat the system. Google almost certainly has statistics supporting the increased risk of working with developers / businesses that hire folks who break various rules. Certainly there are false…
> there should be a pathway to a $5,000 fee where you get a higher level of human interaction That sounds like extortion... "We're going to ban your account because we want to, unless of course you pay us $5,000 so you can talk to a human to resolve this issue."
Google love the extortion business model.
"Bid more than your competitor on AdWords for the literal name of your business or else they'll get the customers who intended to do business with you."