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YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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A bit different considering the west has alternatives which are not blocked, whereas China doesn't. You can even spin up your own sources and serve whatever you want,a right not afforded the average Chinese citizen.

How much does it matter in practice ? If you personally decide to host your own blog from your house, nobody will probably come after you. If you get enough traction, you’ll need to host a whole operation that can be managed by a full staff and serve millions of views every day. There’s now in the picture one or more platform providers, and payment processing that you depend on for your income. A bunch of entities ar…

This just shows that many of the policies in China are wanted by many, probably the majority, in society there. The policies are not always used for good, but they are indeed used to stop the spread of harmful misinformation or harmful practices (eg. detox via drinking bleach). In the US, you have the right to say something, but that doesn’t mean anyone has to listen to you or have to help spread your message; if you try, you might find a (possibly large) niche that people are interested in such as “the 2020 election was rigged” or “COVID doesn’t exist” or “the moon landing was filmed on a sound stage”, and you won’t be robbed of your autonomy of movement and speech by being sent to jail or a “re-education camp”.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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> why people think youtube should be forced to host stuff they don’t want to host For the same reasons that AT&T can't terminate your phone service if they hear you talking about something that's opposed to the political preferences of AT&T or its leadership. These companies have become the public square and the law needs to be updated to reflect that. If they have to become public utilities fine. There's a big diffe…

Youtube doesn’t have any kind of monopoly on posting videos to the internet. What they do have is a brand and a social network that surfaces, promotes, and moderates video content to drive engagement and ad views. They’ve grown large by moderating and curating content but now that they’ve done so they should no longer be allowed to moderate and curate content? Makes no sense whatsoever. You’re pronouncing youtube a “…

> Youtube doesn’t have any kind of monopoly on posting videos to the internet.

A quick search[0] shows that YouTube dominates ~76% of the market. Do you really believe your own statement?

[0] https://www.datanyze.com/market-share/online-video--12/youtu...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Even if the discarded ballots Gore fought to save had been counted, Bush would have won. It was very close. Close enough to reveal the messiness that extremely close elections can create. But not enough to change the outcome. Bush won. He probably won by double digits in Florida. But he still won. As late as 2008, Howard Dean was falsely claiming SCOTUS had “snatched” the election from the Dems, which was demonstrabl…

> Trump is spreading disinformation, as Howard Dean President Trump. What was Howard Dean? The distinction really matters. > They allowed the charade of a campaign to go on, allowing Democrats a heavy advantage in elections like the Wisconsin State Supreme Court. Primaries are not elections, though, and there is no reason a political party has to call them off just because someone believes the game has already been e…

A former governor and at the time of the 2008 comments the DNC chair.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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> And then I said supposing you brought the light inside the body, which you can do either through the skin or in some other way. And I think you said you’re going to test that too. Sounds interesting. And then I see the disinfectant, where it knocks it out in a minute, one minute. And is there a way we can do something like that by injection inside or almost a cleaning? Seems to me like he is very clearly talking ab…

You admit his is talking clearly then? Many people seem to chose when to give him that consideration.

> Many people seem to chose when to give him that consideration.

You mean everyone, from either tribe, when it suits them?

Personally I always try to figure out what a politician is intending to say, even if they are only semi-coherent in conveying it. This is the leader of the free world, after all, with his finger on the button...

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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It's scary how many of the systems we were worried about in China (e.g. social credit system, censorship, etc.) are basically being created now in the west through the proxy of critical companies blocking access and/or working together.

In China you would risk being arrested for such a thing. Not just see your channel or video taken down by a platform.

In Canada you get arrested for peacefully protesting: https://www.cbsnews.com/news/canada-freedom-convoy-protest-a...

Note all the attempts in the article to paint them as "armed" and "extremists". There was no violence, no destruction of property. It was a legal demonstration until it was made illegal by invoking the Emergencies act. And this use of the law in my opinion was an abuse as it clearly is for terrorist threats. Not Canadian working class people peacefully demonstrating.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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For those of us who lived through the years of "selected not elected" it is a remarkable double standard. Or, being charitable, a remarkable reversal of opinion. (I tried to slip the expression "flip flop" in there as a joke since that was a popular and widely over-used term at the time too, but I couldn't make it work).

Let us just take a moment to remember that Gore conceded, as did Hillary. On the night of the election, in her case. Former President Trump still has not conceded . There is no double standard. Citizens thinking the election was rigged is one thing, but when the President of the United States refuses to respect the democratic process, it is a very big deal .

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Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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Are you arguing that Bari Weiss, who was brought in specifically as part of an editorial decision to appeal to alternate viewpoints, is an example of alternate viewpoints being censored?

Yes. She was forced out for doing her job. They don't want alternative view points. That's the point

She resigned, she was not fired.

By all means argue that they made her feel that it was not possible or sensible to try to do the job she wanted to do. But she resigned, and that's not the same thing.

Re: YouTube suspends The Hill for playing clip of Trump denying election results

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In China you would risk being arrested for such a thing. Not just see your channel or video taken down by a platform.

Whether it's Huxley or Orwell, they're both dystopias. EDIT>> My mistake, censorship falls clearly under Orwell

Nah, Huxley. Netflix is our Soma.
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