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Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by SteveDR »

hunterb123 wrote: post #6
michaelmcdonald wrote: post #3

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Sure you can! Michigan has a ban on smoking indoors and business grew for just about every bar and restaurant! Just gotta ban the right people. From what I can tell Twitter is doing that; but their business model is terrible and the platform is clunky. Their lack of growth has nothing to do with banning people.

> Their lack of growth has nothing to do with banning people. Doesn't seem like that as their competitors that have sprung up are solely from conservatives being banned. Banning smoking !== banning dissenters, your analogy has a false equivalency for multiple reasons, I wouldn't use them for debates if I were you, just teaching. - edit because of post limit - @cheriot: Enough users for you to know about them. Competi…

Their competitors (Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Pinterest, etc) are all moderating the same people to about the same extent.

Are you talking about their clones, like Parler and Gab? They’re fulfilling their role fine as a platform for a niche user base, but they have no shot at competing with Twitter.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by pcmoney »

donkeybeer wrote: post #396
pcmoney wrote: post #342

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I would strongly bias towards people who have built or created something anything even a small thing vs "experts" "academics" "blue checks" (Eg. John Arnold probably knows a lot more about economic fundamentals than most economists) I would bias towards people who have a concrete position they are advocating for and not just talk about what they are against. Critique is cheap and mostly pointless without a real solut…

Explain in your own words what "blue check" means

Could have been more clear on that. Some of the accounts I follow are blue checks. What I meant is blue checks that are using their popularity to critique/support another issue very far afield of why they are a blue check.

Eg. Famous actor advocating for some luxury belief

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by brimble »

tehbeard wrote: post #422
teddyh wrote: post #137

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> my account locked up and said there was "suspicious activity" and if I wanted to continue I needed to supply my phone number. I have repeatedly heard it said that Twitter does this for every single new account as a matter of course. Twitter wants your phone number, but don’t want you to bounce right at registration.

Microsoft also do this. I had to make a new MS account to migrate a 2nd minecraft account. The account has only ever been used from the game launcher, and they have the analytics that the account was created for the migration. But apparently there was "suspicious activity" that violates TOS and they auto locked it, and rather than contact the gmail address I used for the account, they demand a phone number. Tbf, I'm…

Wrangling MS accounts for Minecraft is weirdly hellish. I don't know if they're trying to get people to stop using the Java edition, or what. It feels like they don't want your money.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by brimble »

piva00 wrote: post #423
ahartmetz wrote: post #364

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>I have never encountered a more hostile website, or company for that matter, towards innocuous behavior. Pinterest images in Google image search results would like to have a word with you.

Fuck. How much I hate Pinterest for basically being a huge spammer on image search... Worst part is that when Pinterest launched I even used it for a short while, it was useful for some things (e.g. collecting examples of furniture I'd be eyeing, tattoo motifs inspiration) and over time it just became a huge cluttered unusable mess. And then the spam on image search came and I simply despise Pinterest, ranting about…

giphy and a couple similar sites are the ones I hate. It's so goddamn hard to get ahold of a gif that's actually a gif, these days. Why does gif search take me to a site that makes it nearly impossible to see a gif? And then doesn't include "duplicates" from other sites that would actually give me a gif.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by pcmoney »

donkeybeer wrote: post #419
1_player wrote: post #414

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Verified accounts

I know what it means, but the one I am responding to isn't, either out of ignorance or deliberately. It doesn't mean anything more or anything less than that these people are verified to be who they claim they are. But the person above is trying to indicate it means some kind of "endorsement" by some vague "establishment" that he dislikes.

Blue checks typically mean large (sometimes rabid) twitter followings. Sometimes that’s fine but often their engagement in a topic can really derail it. Blue checks in practice mean more than just “verified account”.

Side note: anonymity can often improve the quality of online discussion. See: “breaking the social media prism”

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by tehbeard »

brimble wrote: post #433
tehbeard wrote: post #422

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Microsoft also do this. I had to make a new MS account to migrate a 2nd minecraft account. The account has only ever been used from the game launcher, and they have the analytics that the account was created for the migration. But apparently there was "suspicious activity" that violates TOS and they auto locked it, and rather than contact the gmail address I used for the account, they demand a phone number. Tbf, I'm…

Wrangling MS accounts for Minecraft is weirdly hellish. I don't know if they're trying to get people to stop using the Java edition, or what. It feels like they don't want your money.

They already have my money, twice, and the second account was after release so "full price".

Its weird because they have to know that hurting Java edition is just stabbing the most evangelical members of the community. The ones that built it up and developed so much of the word of mouth marketing.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by IncRnd »

teddyh wrote: post #220
shmatt wrote: post #175

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I would guess it started as a reaction to the many botnets used by companies and countries trying to maximize certain opinions On top of the phone number, they also go through purges seemingly once a year, getting rid of up to a million accounts a day. That also doesn't fair well with giving the stock market raw numbers

> reaction to the many botnets Makes no sense. If they wanted to require a phone number to keep out bots, they would simply ask for a phone number at registration. Delaying it like this, claiming “suspicious activity” is hard to see any other way than how I described it.

If Twitter asked for the phone number at registration, they would have fewer signups due to people opting not to complete their registrations. Delaying the ask for a phone number increases the number of accounts they are able to claim.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by hunterb123 »

SteveDR wrote: post #431
hunterb123 wrote: post #6

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> Their lack of growth has nothing to do with banning people. Doesn't seem like that as their competitors that have sprung up are solely from conservatives being banned. Banning smoking !== banning dissenters, your analogy has a false equivalency for multiple reasons, I wouldn't use them for debates if I were you, just teaching. - edit because of post limit - @cheriot: Enough users for you to know about them. Competi…

Their competitors (Facebook, Instagram, YouTube, Pinterest, etc) are all moderating the same people to about the same extent. Are you talking about their clones, like Parler and Gab? They’re fulfilling their role fine as a platform for a niche user base, but they have no shot at competing with Twitter.

Those aren't competitors to Twitter. You have to realize that social media is an umbrella for multiple services that barely compete with each other.

Youtube = long form video clips, how to / knowledge resource

TikTok = short form video clips, successor to vine

Snapchat = direct video messages, ephemeral talking

Facebook = contact book, classifieds

Instagram = living photo album

LinkedIn = living resume

Pinterest = living recipe / idea book

GitHub = living portfolio, giant forum of repos

Twitter = communication medium, broadcasts

The main FUTURE competitor to Twitter I think is Mastodon. Gab, Truth Social, and a few other services are built upon it. Eventually when a platform comes along with the interface and the will of the people generates a network effect like MySpace to Facebook, Twitter will be done.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by brimble »

tehbeard wrote: post #436
brimble wrote: post #433

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Wrangling MS accounts for Minecraft is weirdly hellish. I don't know if they're trying to get people to stop using the Java edition, or what. It feels like they don't want your money.

They already have my money, twice, and the second account was after release so "full price". Its weird because they have to know that hurting Java edition is just stabbing the most evangelical members of the community. The ones that built it up and developed so much of the word of mouth marketing.

I hear you. I'd have already bought two more if buying the first (post-Microsoft-acquisition—family has two from before that already) copy hadn't been been such a pain in the ass.

My alternative isn't switching to the non-Java edition—it's finally getting around to looking into open source clones. I'm riiiiight on the edge of pushing my kids into one of those instead.

Re: Twitter misses ad revenue and user growth estimates

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Post by donkeybeer »

pcmoney wrote: post #432
donkeybeer wrote: post #396

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Explain in your own words what "blue check" means

Could have been more clear on that. Some of the accounts I follow are blue checks. What I meant is blue checks that are using their popularity to critique/support another issue very far afield of why they are a blue check. Eg. Famous actor advocating for some luxury belief

Then "blue check" is completely incidental to the matter, and the real issue is that it is a very popular person. The same issue would exist for any popular user whether or not their account is blue checked.
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