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Some of them are really baffling. Tom Segura, Bert Kreischer, Ian Edwards? Tim Ferris?

Likely delete out of requests by the guests.

Segura and Kreischer at least are good friend with Rogan and have been on multiple times. I think it's unlikely they would request to be removed.

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Spotify competing with YouTube isn't the root problem. The people calling for censorship are the problem. This is the latest attack in an ongoing war on free speech. We are losing our freedoms. Today it's Joe Rogan's speech tomorrow it's yours.

Joe Rogan got paid by a company to distribute his content with the right to not distribute any portion they want. If anything, Joe Rogan is giving up his free speech. No one is taking it. Anyone can make a podcast and put it out. Zero stopping them other than maybe money to buy a device to record and send it.

I am not American, I grew up in a country where everything Nazi is very much verboten (Austria, Germany). I was always quite curious about the American insistence on free speech.

Today I feel free speech is worse off in the US than it is over here, purely for cultural reasons.

Also: I thought the limits on the US idea of free speech was that things like yelling "Fire!" in a crowded theatre would not be covered by free speech. But hasn't the internet created another kind of crowded theatre in which people can yell the online equivalent of "Fire!" to deal substantial damage to society?

I think censorship is a slippery slope and I am not at all for it — yet I wonder if what we see here is just the beginning of society figuring out how to deal with free speech in the web. Finding the borders of what can reasonably be allowed, because "everything" proofed to be an unacceptably destructive answer to most.

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Open Web is truly dead. It's such a shame too. Learning other people's view, even if you don't agree with them is an important part growing. I have to say, I am quite resentful of people now. Because there was such amazing tool that you could learn other people's view and thoughts and a handful of loud mouths killed it.

It only dies if we surround ourselves in walled gardens, and fail to build the platforms that incentivize open inquiry. We've traded so much for the convenience of not doing it ourselves. As long as one hyperlinked document remains at the far reaches of a TCP/IP network, the Web still lives. The content you're seeking is out there, and the audience for the unconventional is growing.

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This is bigger than Spotify. Rogan was a proactive person conducting open research into the world around him. When proactive people investigate things and share their findings, it now only takes a few to dislike the findings, fuss, and have the findings removed. To those that support this, I have 4 questions: 1. Is disincentivising sharing knowledge really good for the world? 2. Is it reasonable to expect 100% of inq…

Large numbers of laypeople mistaking Joe Rogan for a researcher and JRE as a venue for scientific discussion is not a sign of healthy public discourse. It is a sign of low levels of scientific engagement and scientific literacy among the public. Neil Postman warned us about this risk back in the 80s. He saw that the repackaging of serious subjects to fit the audiovisual medium would erode the boundaries between infor…

Exactly this. Joe Rogan entertaining anti-vax theories in the spirit of "open discourse" is not scientific discussion or a sign of healthy public discourse.

It's just Rogan knowing that he can peddle the line and bring in both the skeptics and the opposition and pretend that he is just promoting an open discussion. Or he is just ignorant, but I think the dude is smart enough to know that controversy drives up impressions and increases ad revenue and ultimately the success and dollars from his brand.

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I’m struggling to have sympathy with anyone involved in this. Podcasting has always felt like a resurgence of the “original web” spirit to me: anyone can upload, anywhere. All you need is an RSS feed and anyone can subscribe. Then Spotify came busting in and decided that the open podcasting platform is obsolete and paid Joe Rogan $100 million for exclusive distribution of his content. So they’ve dug their own grave h…

> He didn’t have to take the deal that removed his podcast from open distribution and put it under corporate control. But he did

For 100Mi? I'd have a very long list of things I would do for that price. "Selling out?" For sure.

I wouldn't have a podcast with the guests he picked for the show on several topics, surely (but he wasn't made to have those guests).

"Open podcast" is hard if you have to pay for bandwidth, and also it's just one of the most time consuming ways of generating content.

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One of the ironic things here is that it’s pitted Spotify’s brand as a music company against their brand as a podcast company. For people originally drawn to Spotify as a music service the departure of even a few icons all of a sudden makes Apple Music very attractive.

There's also: Tidal https://tidal.com/ Deezer https://www.deezer.com/ Bandcamp https://bandcamp.com/ Jango https://www.jango.com/ Radio Paradise https://radioparadise.com/ There's also FOSS software for collaborative music with friends, musicians etc: Jamulus https://github.com/jamulussoftware/jamulus

I switched to Deezer recently and my favorite thing is that it actually has a usable, full-featured web version that's not full of bloat -- and, more importantly, allows lossless music playback in browser. The web UI works so well that I never even bothered to install the desktop app, unlike other services I've used in the past. They definitely deserve a shout-out.

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When JRE went to Spotify many people were hailing it as an anti-cancellation move. They clearly misunderstood.. the podcast was decentralized (even if your podcast host shuts you down you can serve the rss and mp3s from somewhere else). And Youtube was another avenue of distribution. Centralization makes you more vulnerable to getting particular content vetoed.

Spotify doesn't realize this move is cancelling themselves. I just ended my premium sub to Spotify because of their move.

I mean, for every person here who says they’re canceling service, there’s another few who will happily support Spotify because they either don’t care or they want to see JR removed. Who cares if you do it? I’m not being snarky, just staring a fact.

Re: Spotify deletes 70 Joe Rogan episodes

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> CEO Daniel Ek has defended the inclusion of Rogan on the company's roster and told a company town hall that the podcast was vital to Spotify's success.

> "If we want even a shot at achieving our bold ambitions, it will mean having content on Spotify that many of us may not be proud to be associated with," Ek said during the town hall. "Not anything goes, but there will be opinions, ideas and beliefs that we disagree with strongly and even makes us angry or sad."

https://www.cnet.com/tech/services-and-software/more-than-70...

At least he's sad. But sad tears are dried by dollars notes?

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