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Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by thfuran »

rezonant wrote: post #362
thfuran wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>They have a habit of completely restricting all ways of appealing or contesting these issues ostensibly because they think their tech is so good that it isn't required Are you sure it's not just because providing them would cost money?

They'll certainly cost money. Can they afford it? Yeah, they can. I think the issue is that Google thinks that operational scale is what defines the correct solution- even when they are not at the scale that requires the solution they are using. They seem so enamored with operating at stupidly high scale that they don't realize they actually can afford to do this right, and if they did that while being mindful of sca…

Companies don't spend as much as they can afford, they spend as little as they can get away with.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by jfoster »

teachrdan wrote: post #149
tyingq wrote: post #122

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Update: It has now flagged the file with "0\n" in it. So it's official, Both 0 and 1 are copyrighted :) https://imgur.com/a/xMgh6Xn

Relevant Onion article here: https://www.theonion.com/microsoft-patents-ones-zeroes-18195...

Perhaps this issue came about because Google's AI read this article.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by jfoster »

gtirloni wrote: post #275
blibble wrote: post #231

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I hope you did that from a burner account!

Exactly my thoughts. I'd not want to risk angering the Google gods with this experiment, considering your account can be disabled by yet another automated system with no way to contact a human.

Better do it from a burner device on a burner internet connection, to prevent Google from detecting any link between your burner account and your real account.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

SR2Z wrote: post #405
scrollaway wrote: post #141

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Since you work in copyright, you've probably also seen firsthand how overzealous copyright enforcement can destroy businesses that produce excellent content. Frankly, your bias shows and you might have a case of EverythingLooksLikeANailitis. The copyright industry may be "protecting" jobs in some ways, but it's also destroying jobs in others. It's halting progress in so many cases. You also need to look at who, in pr…

> Frankly, your bias shows and you might have a case of EverythingLooksLikeANailitis. The copyright industry may be "protecting" jobs in some ways, but it's also destroying jobs in others. It's halting progress in so many cases. No, I have a case of "I'veSeenWhatHappensWhenCopyrightIsIgnoreditis." A blind man could see that copyright needs serious reforms, but it's absurd to pretend like other systems produce the div…

> The actual solution is to reduce the cost of enforcing copyright - right now it takes a court case, which obviously is a nonstarter for anyone who isn't making bank off of their copyright.

Making it easier will result in even worse systems than YouTube's insane extralegal "copystrike" process which enables such abuses as police playing copyrighted songs to prevent people from sharing videos of them.

The opposite should happen. It should be much harder to enforce, it should most definitely not be automatic, it should cost copyright holders huge amounts of money, it should require them to go to actual court, there should be severe penalties for fraudulent claims.

> we'll rewind to like 300 years ago when the only people who could afford to create art were born rich or willing to find a rich person who'd individually sponsor them

If we keep going like this we'll rewind about 100 years to the status quo before the invention of computers. We'll have them but they'll be restricted to the point they're equivalent to old mass media. Their potential squandered in the name of keeping old industries alive. Everything the internet was meant to be, destroyed due to the surveillance and control necessary to enforce copyright.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by johannes1234321 »

Sharlin wrote: post #303
johannes1234321 wrote: post #225

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I don't know about US lawy but in German law there is a requirement on some originality. ("Schöpfungshöhe") The barrier is low, but a 1 certainly doesn't receive the protection.

Yep. A HN comment a couple of sentences long, OTOH, is probably just on the threshold where whether it counts as a protected work depends on just how “unique” the comment is.

As we are on HN, not reddit, thus comments are more than "yes" or "lolz" they are most likely protected.

However one implicitly gives a license to YCombinator - at least to publish it. And what other rights can be upheld would be interesting.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by jfoster »

kaetemi wrote: post #338
iameli wrote: post #75

All software has bugs; I'm not mad at all that this silly test case was flagged incorrectly. The truly infuriating part is "A review cannot be requested for this restriction." Translation: "We have no idea if you actually own this content or not, but it would be _way too expensive_ for us to find out for sure! So you're out of luck, but don't worry — it's all worth it so we can make sure children can't stream Marvel…

So Google Drive is not an option for safely storing documents that you don't want to lose. And by extension, Google Docs is equally dangerous.

Yeah, based on this, any GSuite presentation containing a logo seems like it might meet Google's criteria for getting blocked.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by hnfong »

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #357
Barrin92 wrote: post #274

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At the scale at which Google operates, even if they fixed it within a minute it probably takes some time to test and roll these things out. Sometimes I wonder if people think that infrastructure for billions of people is some sort of magic where you push the fix button and magically everything's solved across the globe.

I'd have more sympathy if it weren't "A review cannot be requested for this restriction." It's designed to be as brutal and draconian as possible. They chose this. It is guilty until proven innocent, with no recourse. Sometimes I wonder if people will excuse anything Google does that hurts people and assume it is some sort of magic to not choose to do that.

"Guilty until proven innocent" implies the guilt presumption can be reversed by proving you're innocent.

I don't think this is the case here.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by slig »

jodrellblank wrote: post #368
cardosof wrote: post #361

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A product manager with an MBA will argue this affects only a handful of customers, mostly non-paying, so fixing it should sit at the end of the backlog.

Is that wrong? How many outraged people here are going to stop using paid-for Google products because of this? (people who didn't stop using paid-for Google products for all the times this kind of thing happened before). It's approximately none, isn't it?

People will think twice before using GCP. I know I'm.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by IYasha »

OneLeggedCat wrote: post #357
Barrin92 wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At the scale at which Google operates, even if they fixed it within a minute it probably takes some time to test and roll these things out. Sometimes I wonder if people think that infrastructure for billions of people is some sort of magic where you push the fix button and magically everything's solved across the globe.

I'd have more sympathy if it weren't "A review cannot be requested for this restriction." It's designed to be as brutal and draconian as possible. They chose this. It is guilty until proven innocent, with no recourse. Sometimes I wonder if people will excuse anything Google does that hurts people and assume it is some sort of magic to not choose to do that.

That's what Goolag does for quite a long time already. Changed IP address? Goodbye mail. Know your password? Still no. Know your secret answer? They laugh at you. Out of options? Sucks to be you. We don't care if you're in a different country or having an emergency. Google is just plain evil.

Re: Google Drive flags file only containing “1” for copyright infringement

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Post by matheusmoreira »

kmeisthax wrote: post #174
josephcsible wrote: post #56

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Do we need to kill copyright? Couldn't we just kill vigilante enforcement of it? Maybe we should make it the law that if you see a copyright violation, your only legal options are (1) nicely ask the infringer to stop voluntarily, or (2) sue.

Well, the problem is that all this "vigilante[0] enforcement" was there to enable online services to work at all; and it has been further extended by private business agreements to give copyright owners powers above what the law requires. Any tort in law also has secondary liability attached to it, and it's generally accepted caselaw that online service providers get secondary liability if someone uses them to infrin…

May I ask if you are a lawyer? I've read many of your posts before and they're always extremely informative. You've taught me a lot of things about copyright. I'm not sure if you'd agree with what I say but I still wanted to say thank you.
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