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Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Re: Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Post by cthalupa »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #346
irjustin wrote: post #14

Since the article and the study are light on the details of "persistent" Here's the supporting data's in a bit more detail[0]. Overall this makes sense to me as an individually who personally enjoys it. The whole point of getting high is to be impaired (for me). So it's not really telling me anything new. Like drinking, I can't expect myself to be 100% functioning the next day so plan accordingly. The question is how…

Wow, impairment is not my intention at all. But, to not impair myself takes careful moderation and preparation. For cognitive benefits or "virtuous pot smoking", I need to have exercise, sleep, right intentions, a clean room and music. If I do it right, I have transformational ideas. If I don't write them down, they are gone. The first hour is often a wash. I expect little. I often combine with coffee. Then, after an…

>It is still a challenge, but I know i'm not the only high functioning cannabis user.

There are plenty of people that are highly functioning and regular smokers of pot that don't go through this level of ceremony about their usage, and I am somewhat skeptical this level of preparation is even particularly helpful in making someone a high functioning cannabis user in general.

Not saying it doesn't work for you, but this sort of story is something of a shibboleth on HN where someone claims that they do X process with Y substance or even just mental attitude and produce Z results.

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Post by moate »

isuckatcoding wrote: post #90
throwaway_4ever wrote: post #34

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Seriously. Am I supposed to just work and have a boring milquetoast existence hiking or whatever to make it to 80? When it really comes down to it, the most euphoric moments and best memories of my life have been messed up on weed and alcohol with people and music. Itd be depressing to move on and just reminisce about when times were better…

Your description of being messed up on weed actually sounds depressing. I’ll take a hike in some beautiful nature anyday over depressing night in smoking weed. You have no idea how positive an effect being outside in nature has on you.

Just so I'm clear here, you read "the most euphoric nights and best memories of my life" and editorialized that into "depressing"?

You're inserting your own disdain for weed here. That's fine if you don't like it, but it's not like he gave any of the gory details for you to actually make this assumption. If you said "I love eating salmon" it would be poor form for me to say "Your description of your eating habits sound horrible".

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Post by achenet »

kunai wrote: post #138
systemvoltage wrote: post #58

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Interesting analogy. Yeah, I tend to combine narrow observations and extrapolate them to see what happens on a societal scale. Speaking of Generals, I can imagine China/Russia drumming up pro-Marijuana narrative in US to cripple it from within. When 20% of the population is addicted to Marijuana with memory loss and obesity (munchies! hello), it is a good strategy. I mean, isn't that the reason China is banning video…

Call me crazy but you may be onto something. I don't think it's necessarily foreign actors that would take advantage of it though, moreso multinational corporations who need a sated and pliable workforce who don't think too much about their poor living conditions, lack of societal progress, lack of upward mobility, etc. I do find it interesting that as cigarettes have waned in popularity and weed has gotten more popu…

Or might this mono-culture simply be a side effect of the internet? Much like how the Roman empire led to a linguistic "mono-culture", and how railways (and later airplanes) increased global homogeneity, it seems more likely to me that as humans are more and more in contact with their far away cousins, they all start to blend more.

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Post by gumby »

sdze wrote: post #242
gumby wrote: post #11

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Exercise and a healthy diet. I typed this in jest but instead of closing the tab I realize that yes, this is a good alternative, perhaps the best, if you can do it . Not everyone can, and typically it’s not their fault if they can’t.

> ExerCiSe AnD a HeAlThY dIeT God, I can't hear that stupid saying anymore. Tell that the MD of a psychiatric hospital. He will have a good laugh.

Doesn’t help with a broken leg either.

My friends who are addicts (those that have survived) are using serious drugs and most of them have complex issues to deal with.

But lighter drugs, whether analgesics or pot/alcohol aren’t of any use for serious illness. And those kinds of drugs are the ones under discussion.

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Post by SirHound »

oblio wrote: post #266
SirHound wrote: post #260

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It will never disappear and chemically altering your mind is IMO an unalienable right as a human being in possession of their own body. Plenty of experiences have downsides at scale, no reason to shut them off.

Think of it this way: what if to become a next level civilization, to live forever and travel to space and teleport and whatever, there's a general consensus that we need to stop using them. I think people would do it.

I don't think there'll need to be a choice personally.

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Post by SirHound »

ALittleLight wrote: post #269
SirHound wrote: post #258

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Everyone who has ever crashed in a car first entered a car.

Do you dispute that getting into a car is a gateway to car accidents?

No I'm agreeing with it to highlight its uselessness as a thought.

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Post by OJFord »

dr_dshiv wrote: post #418
querez wrote: post #350

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what kind of music do you use? Any playlists you can share?

The flow state music podcast on Spotify is perfect. Anything without lyrics.

Just curious, have you tried doing everything except smoking? Or maybe a conventional cigarette/something else you like. I just wonder when you have so much other 'theatre' (I don't say that putting it down) around it, how much can actually be ascribed to the cannabis.

Also, just listened to a few tracks from that, wow no way I could get anything done, I'd just drift off to sleep! (I've never used cannabis, but I imagine that would only make that more likely if anything, not less?)

I listen to much more 'up-beat' music while working sometimes; with lyrics but mostly that I don't understand. Ironically I started the playlist partly out of trying to learn the language (Hindi), but mostly it's too fast/advanced/niche for me to pick up much, so for this purpose it's roughly equivalent to not having lyrics I suppose. Except that I might mouth-along to particularly catchy bits even though I don't know what I'm saying usually.

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Post by cthalupa »

tagoregrtst wrote: post #426
BobbyJo wrote: post #397

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Did you miss the part where the kid became a heroin addict? Heroin will certainly provide long term impairment in the form of a lifelong addiction. Hard to find the effect of MJ in that long shadow.

He became a heroin addict after his suicide attempt, after he crashed out of band camp, after he smoked his ambition to be a goos drummer away.

> after he smoked his ambition to be a goos drummer away.

This is the part that doesn't follow. We have no actual indication that smoking pot had anything to do with his lack/loss of ambition.

I could give plenty of anecdotal studies where people became complacent because they got a promotion, or made it to a certain landmark, or realized that they were the smartest person in the room at the time, or a million other things. Complacency is not something that requires smoking pot to feel.

Like, I don't want to denigrate the person in the anecdote - but if your sense of identity is so tied up in being the best drummer among a certain peer group that when you lose that title you are going to attempt suicide, you have more fundamental psychological problems to deal with.

If pot was causing people to want to kill themselves because they weren't the best at something, we'd have a lot more suicides in the world. It's a massive claim, and one that requires proof beyond an anecdote.

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Post by sysOpOpPERAND »

honestly, i just recently found out my niece is taking seizure medicine that has a black box label, cannabis has been shown to help people who has seizures without all those risk associated with black label seizure medicine. i would prefer cannabis to be legal in her state because high cbd strains are still beneficial to a lot of people suffering.

here is a video of a guy suffering from tremors due to Parkinson's disease. he is given medical cannabis and the results are highly visible.

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zNT8Zo_sfwo

Re: Cannabis use produces persistent cognitive impairments: meta review

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Post by stuaxo »

cthalupa wrote: post #431
dr_dshiv wrote: post #346

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wow, impairment is not my intention at all. But, to not impair myself takes careful moderation and preparation. For cognitive benefits or "virtuous pot smoking", I need to have exercise, sleep, right intentions, a clean room and music. If I do it right, I have transformational ideas. If I don't write them down, they are gone. The first hour is often a wash. I expect little. I often combine with coffee. Then, after an…

>It is still a challenge, but I know i'm not the only high functioning cannabis user. There are plenty of people that are highly functioning and regular smokers of pot that don't go through this level of ceremony about their usage, and I am somewhat skeptical this level of preparation is even particularly helpful in making someone a high functioning cannabis user in general. Not saying it doesn't work for you, but th…

There was an article on newscientist about how people get good results using rituals, the ritual itself can be arbitrary.
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