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Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by Radim »

dang wrote: post #415
Radim wrote: post #283

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Please do not take HN threads into flamewar hell. This is way over the top. We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=29758807 .

What can I say. It's your site, your rules.

But I disagree strongly with your "way over the top" Daniel – that's just rude.

Mine was an on-topic factual response, substantiated with relevant links, articulated in a perfectly civil manner. Along with my sibling responses.

I bet you many people were not aware of these facts, or the broader historical context. All perfectly appropriate given the thread topic. I'm kinda sad this information (it really took effort to compile) is now invisible :(

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by inglor_cz »

PopeUrbanX wrote: post #30

Good. Take away their free healthcare, too, so that they stop taking up ICU beds that smarter people might need.

Beware what you wish for. There is no bottom to this rabbit hole. Everyone does something potentially harmful to their bodies. Drivers, airplane travelers, meat eaters, people who stress themselves too much, suicide attempt survivors, people who live next to a polluting industrial plant even if they could afford to move elsewhere.

There is a reason why the Hippocratic oath does not have exceptions for currently unpopular groups. Even captured Nazi war criminals weren't denied medical care in prison.

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Post by variola »

hrhrhrhrhr wrote: post #294
jquery wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> as long as you can quit that jurisdiction at any time. Nobody is going door to door and arresting unvaccinated people. It’s not like the anti-choice law in Texas that criminalizes two people working together to stop a woman from being pregnant against her will. You still have your freedom under the NAP. But as soon as you present a threat to infect other people by being unvaccinated, there are reasonable restrictio…

NAP is about physical violence. The problem with your way of thinking is that it lets you interpret whatever you feel like as "violence". Should infecting others with a flu also be considered violence? What about blasphemy? What about just being mean? People have very varying opinions on whether spreading COVID should be considered violence, hence contractual jurisdictions.

> Should infecting others with a flu also be considered violence?

How is it not violence to infect others with a serious disease? It causes bodily harm.

It is assault to knowingly expose others to a communicable disease.

However, using the flu as an example isn’t very good as spreading the common cold doesn’t carry criminal consequences. If you are referring to Covid as a “flu” then it’s another matter.

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by guilhas »

scrollaway wrote: post #390
iqanq wrote: post #64

A year ago this would've been called a conspiracy theory. Saying that this would happen on Facebook or Twitter would've been called misleading or even got you banned.

A year ago, the thought that so many people would reject vaccines that can help end the pandemic was unrealistic. Soooo…

Wrong, a year ago all countries vaccination target was lower

Initially started with the medicine standard herd immunity of 65%, which includes vaccinated and recovered

And now even 90% vaccinated is supposedly unacceptable

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-56722186

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Post by grepfru_it »

middleclick wrote: post #318
peteradio wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under 50 has 20% of ICU cases (how many are incidental and without comorbidity?).

You are the one who made the claim that age is relevant to this when it is not as if the ICUs are full, it impacts everyone. So maybe find the source and share it here since you are the one who made the argument? Burden of proof is on you, not me.

You don't need to share your results, but try to find the answer to that question. I have done so and it's a terrible uphill battle and, for most data points, left only to anecdotal evidence.

In my case I was looking for covid case data in children broken down by age. The only data I found was over 18 and under 18. It wasn't until recently when 0-4, 5-12 and 12-18 age group data was shared. So while I understand your point, it's doing a disservice to the actual problem at hand and thats enabling others to make advised choices.

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Post by klyrs »

rayiner wrote: post #123
guidovranken wrote: post #58

In other festive COVID news from Canada: >Canada's Justin Trudeau on the unvaccinated: >“They don’t believe in science/progress and are very often misogynistic and racist....This leads us, as a leader and as a country, to make a choice: Do we tolerate these people?" https://twitter.com/KevinBardosh/status/1476838517007257600 My patience with COVID cultists is starting to run quite thin.

My dad spent his life working in public health, including vaccinations. “Doesn’t believe in science and progress” and “very often misogynistic and racist” is how Trudeau would describe your typical villager in Asia or Africa—the people my dad spent a lifetime serving. But Trudeau’s unrelated moral crusades are utterly irrelevant to the issue of public health, and he’s deeply damaging the public health effort by tryin…

Probablem being that Trudeau is a politician, not a healthcare worker. This shouldn't be a political issue. Unfortunately, it's politicized to hell.

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Post by grepfru_it »

scrollaway wrote: post #390
iqanq wrote: post #64

A year ago this would've been called a conspiracy theory. Saying that this would happen on Facebook or Twitter would've been called misleading or even got you banned.

A year ago, the thought that so many people would reject vaccines that can help end the pandemic was unrealistic. Soooo…

Nope, all of that was discussed here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBuP40H4Tko

Re: Unvaccinated workers who lose jobs ineligible for unemployment benefits (Canada)

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Post by mindslight »

theodorejb wrote: post #31

It seems we are heading in a direction where those who don't take the jab will be blocked from receiving government services, prevented from patronizing various businesses, and even restricted from traveling and the ability to work. Are most citizens really okay with this medical apartheid, or are they afraid of speaking out against it?

I for one would be speaking out against it from an idealistic perspective, but I'm tired of my tolerance for regressive views being taken advantage of. The anti-vax thing was cute when it was maybe 5% of the population and just created the occasional localized outbreak. I'm still a libertarian, but the biggest impingement on my freedom here has been because of top-down political disinformation campaigns utterly destroying the public health response. They're playing off the failings of our society to herd people into utterly destructive directions, and following them needs to be called out for what it is rather than letting it continue to be passed off as some manifestation of individual freedom.

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Post by bsaul »

The scariest part of all this hysteria is that the exact same arguments can be found in (almost) every country. France is turning crazy, germany was, austria, etc. Everybody applies the same « non-vaxxed are a threat to vaxxed » almost absurd statement, without blinking.

It really really makes you wonder if western governments are trying to prove conspiracy theoricians right.

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Post by mthoms »

zo1 wrote: post #310
middleclick wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> blocked from receiving government services Quite the hyperbole: not all government services, just employment insurance and that too if you were only fired for not receiving the vaccine. A reminder that in many of these jobs, there was already a requirement for getting a set of vaccines so this is not new. Though for some people, this vaccine is "different" but once you ask them to explain why they can't. So no new…

> "You are still free to drive to work or take local public transit." Then the whole point of this thing is pointless. We're selectively punishing people. We don't prevent or punish positive cases from going around to work, public transport, etc and infecting others, yet we punish people that choose to simply not vaccinate. > "If you cannot participate in society moving forward, then you should not expect society to…

>Then the whole point of this thing is pointless. We're selectively punishing people. We don't prevent or punish positive cases from going around to work, public transport, etc and infecting others, yet we punish people that choose to simply not vaccinate.

Simply not true. Defying a public health order is illegal.

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