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Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by chrisco255 »

XorNot wrote: post #356
chrisco255 wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The natural gas load was nearly double it's average load, because the entire state of Texas was below freezing for a week solid and almost nobody has gas heat in Texas. Everyone was pulling on inefficient electric heaters to warm their house. And the Windmills, which power about 22% of the Texas grid, went almost entirely offline.

> And the Windmills, which power about 22% of the Texas grid, went almost entirely offline. Which was also a problem of not winterizing. The picture of the entire event is that the government of Texas flagrantly ignored what it was told was the problem from the previous blackout, and then naturally the exact same problem caused the next one.

This week-long freezing event had never happened before in the state of Texas. The entire state was blanketed and plunged to temperatures colder than Anchorage, Alaska. We had single digit temps in Austin. Austin, has the same latitude as Jacksonville, Florida. This isn't some "flagrant ignorance" this never happened in modern meteorological history in Texas.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by FooBarWidget »

Siira wrote: post #424
FooBarWidget wrote: post #382

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Yes and you should read the book "The Other Side of the Story: A Secret War in Hong Kong" by Nury Vittachi to learn what the mainstream media wasn't telling you about the whole Hong Kong situation. My Hong Kong friend who is pro China lives in an appartment complex where lots of yellow vests also live, and prior to the NSL every day he feared for his life, fearing that his neighbors would find out that he's pro-China…

And yet your hypothetical friend is fine, but China has seized land again.

...seized land that belonged to them in the first place? It's the British that seized Hong Kong because the Qing refused to import opium.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by saagarjha »

throw0101a wrote: post #157
bell-cot wrote: post #101

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This...but did Samsung quietly negotiate a "any further energy supply f*ck-ups are 100% on YOUR dime" deal with the State of Texas, or what? By several accounts, the TX grid got darn close to collapse last winter - at which point "ERCOT Op Center is next door, and we get top priority" would not get you a single erg.

> erg For anyone wondering, this is a unit of energy (100 nJ): * https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erg

(For those wondering, it's a unit from the old cgs system, rather than the mks we typically use today.)

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by XorNot »

chrisco255 wrote: post #431
XorNot wrote: post #356

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> And the Windmills, which power about 22% of the Texas grid, went almost entirely offline. Which was also a problem of not winterizing. The picture of the entire event is that the government of Texas flagrantly ignored what it was told was the problem from the previous blackout, and then naturally the exact same problem caused the next one.

This week-long freezing event had never happened before in the state of Texas. The entire state was blanketed and plunged to temperatures colder than Anchorage, Alaska. We had single digit temps in Austin. Austin, has the same latitude as Jacksonville, Florida. This isn't some "flagrant ignorance" this never happened in modern meteorological history in Texas.

https://www.texastribune.org/2014/01/06/ercot-rolling-blacko...

2014. After the event the government was advised that winterizing the powerplants needed to be done to prevent similar events in the future.

Instead, Texas did nothing for another 7 years, and then the same thing happened again.

This was wholly predictable: Texas running an independent grid doesn't have enough power import capacity to manage long-tail events, but also chose to manage them by ignoring them and damn the consequences - those consequences being Texan citizens froze to death in their homes (https://www.texastribune.org/2021/02/19/texas-power-outage-w...).

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by muzz »

adam_arthur wrote: post #148
rllearneratwork wrote: post #76

with Tesla, SpaceX, Samsung and other tech investing this heavy in Texas, when/will it surpass CA as a tech powerhouse of the future?

Beyond specific companies, Texas has more favorable business climate and tax rates. Housing alone is such a huge knock against CA for new companies. Even paying somebody 500k there leaves them feeling middle class when trying to raise a family. Perhaps a bit of an exaggeration, but in Texas they build like crazy to support population inflows. If you drive through Austin you'll see every third or fourth house is getti…

And plenty of subsidies: "with a $27 million grant from the state of Texas. Larger tax breaks and incentives are expected for the facility."

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by muzz »

VLM wrote: post #368

Does anyone ever build anything in the big east/west coast cities anymore? Or even the east/west coast states anymore?

Recently these plants were being built in places like Malaysia. Coastal parts of the US became far to expensive for this kind of manufacturing many decades ago.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by coolso »

panick21_ wrote: post #410
coolso wrote: post #338

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The pushback from many whenever it’s suggested that the US should undergo a general trend to bring back manufacturing jobs to America always fascinates me. I always wonder what’s going through their heads when they prefer that things continue to be made on the other side of the world in a sweatshop paying their workers cents on the dollar to make cheap, soulless, throwaway goods in countries with terrible environment…

It is bordering on racist to suggest that because things are US produced they will be Quality over Quantity. What you actually need to win is Quality and Quantity. The same arrogance the US manufactures had about Japan and got their as kicked. At seems like you have some delusional fantasy that the world could run on locally made artisanal goods and that those goods then magically have more 'soul' (whatever that is)…

> It is bordering on racist

I stopped reading right there, in the future please hesitate to use self-defeating arguments like this in your counter arguments.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by panick21_ »

coolso wrote: post #438
panick21_ wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is bordering on racist to suggest that because things are US produced they will be Quality over Quantity. What you actually need to win is Quality and Quantity. The same arrogance the US manufactures had about Japan and got their as kicked. At seems like you have some delusional fantasy that the world could run on locally made artisanal goods and that those goods then magically have more 'soul' (whatever that is)…

> It is bordering on racist I stopped reading right there, in the future please hesitate to use self-defeating arguments like this in your counter arguments.

Hard to hear the truth about your own ignorance.

Re: Samsung plans $17B chip plant in Taylor, Texas

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Post by mschaef »

chrisco255 wrote: post #430
mschaef wrote: post #390

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Natural gas plant outages were around 30,000mw, and there were issues with both coal and nuclear plants going offline also. Wind was only a few thousand MW below planned values. Not close to being entirely a wind power issue. (Even though wind power could clearly have done better, as it did in Iowa, where it was significantly colder and the wind turbines stayed online.)

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/2021/02/14/historic-win... Over half the turbines were completely frozen. Wind typically accounts for ~22% of Texas power supply. Meanwhile, there was a record high spike (nearly double normal loads) in demand for electricity. If not for natural gas, the blackouts would have been even worse, because at least they were able to be ramped up and provide some power via rolling blackou…

> If not for natural gas, the blackouts would have been even worse, because at least they were able to be ramped up

Natural Gas, Coal, and Nuclear accounted for over 80% of the lost generation. Most of that was gas.

See page 16 here: https://www.ercot.com/files/docs/2021/04/28/ERCOT_Winter_Sto...

Same thing happened in both 2011 and 1989… NatGas was not there when the state needed it most.

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