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Overly analytical guide to escorting

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mikevm wrote: post #418
throwaway75999 wrote: post #110

This was a fantastic read; thank you for sharing. I saw escorts for a couple of years. It was often weird, when I just didn’t click with the woman, but I met a few really awesome people. There are other down sides to escorting. One of the women I had seen a couple of times, was later murdered. They ended up catching the killer- another escort, I don’t know why. It was hard to grieve; we were not real close; her famil…

> If you’re thinking about seeing escorts If you're thinking about seeing escorts, you better talk to your close male friends so they can talk you out of it. Work on yourself, and start asking normal women out. Yes, I know that's "scary" but that's how your parents met... (unless your mother is a whore!) There's a saying which was borne out of experience - "once a whore, always a whore". I actually know of one such c…

I got into sex work because I was homeschooled in a borderline fundamentalist Christian cult my whole life and expected to become a housewife. My parents made too much money for me to qualify for aid for me to go to college, but refused to help me at all financially or cosign on any loans. So at 19 I went to work on a factory floor for 50-60hr weeks with no education and no prospects, and I would go multiple days in a row without seeing the sun.

So yeah, I worked hard and did what I could and I decided that I would prefer sex work over that life.

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beckman466 wrote: post #427
mikevm wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re thinking about seeing escorts If you're thinking about seeing escorts, you better talk to your close male friends so they can talk you out of it. Work on yourself, and start asking normal women out. Yes, I know that's "scary" but that's how your parents met... (unless your mother is a whore!) There's a saying which was borne out of experience - "once a whore, always a whore". I actually know of one such c…

> "once a whore, always a whore" > Basically, once a woman tries out whoring > weird analogies claiming that whoring (renting out your body for money) is just like physical labor, which is fscking insane. > How is being sexually penetrated by a stranger, ejaculated on, etc... anything like a man doing manual labor? well we've found our misogynist > Why is she even a single-mom in the first place? right, because women…

> well we've found our misogynist

Pointless name calling.

> right, because women have bodily autonomy and basic health care services available to them everywhere. yes i am talking about abortion

You already have bodily autonomy, you can a) make sure you use a condom or better yet, an IUD b) refrain from sex unless you are OK with getting pregnant.

Every time I see an argument about abortion, pro-choice advocates choose to emphasize the choice aspect of having an abortion but completely ignore the choice aspect of having sex in the first place. Maybe it is not clear to some people that sex is first and foremost a means of reproduction, and not just pleasure?

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Post by mikevm »

Aella wrote: post #431
mikevm wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re thinking about seeing escorts If you're thinking about seeing escorts, you better talk to your close male friends so they can talk you out of it. Work on yourself, and start asking normal women out. Yes, I know that's "scary" but that's how your parents met... (unless your mother is a whore!) There's a saying which was borne out of experience - "once a whore, always a whore". I actually know of one such c…

I got into sex work because I was homeschooled in a borderline fundamentalist Christian cult my whole life and expected to become a housewife. My parents made too much money for me to qualify for aid for me to go to college, but refused to help me at all financially or cosign on any loans. So at 19 I went to work on a factory floor for 50-60hr weeks with no education and no prospects, and I would go multiple days in…

My posts may seem harsh because I am frustrated by peoples' lack of understanding that being able to work as a sex worker is a *privilege* (to borrow a woke term) that poor men simply do not have. A poor man in your position would have no choice but to keep working these low paying jobs. It is ironic to me that leftists who keep calling everyone privileged will willingly ignore this obvious fact because in their worldview men are privileged by default.

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sershe wrote: post #429
mikevm wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If you’re thinking about seeing escorts If you're thinking about seeing escorts, you better talk to your close male friends so they can talk you out of it. Work on yourself, and start asking normal women out. Yes, I know that's "scary" but that's how your parents met... (unless your mother is a whore!) There's a saying which was borne out of experience - "once a whore, always a whore". I actually know of one such c…

You might as well say the same thing about software developers. Instead of working honest jobs with their hands like most people, they just have to sit in a chair and be smart. Even if they get a real job, when the times get rough they will just go back to developing. Where is personal responsibility? Where is dignity? Making an effort to make an honest living?

No you may not. You are once again confusing people who rent out their time and those that rent out their bodies (prostitutes). You are really clutching at straws here trying to make prostitution morally equivalent to every other job in the market.

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Post by beecafe »

mikevm wrote: post #435
sershe wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might as well say the same thing about software developers. Instead of working honest jobs with their hands like most people, they just have to sit in a chair and be smart. Even if they get a real job, when the times get rough they will just go back to developing. Where is personal responsibility? Where is dignity? Making an effort to make an honest living?

No you may not. You are once again confusing people who rent out their time and those that rent out their bodies (prostitutes). You are really clutching at straws here trying to make prostitution morally equivalent to every other job in the market.

You don't think that construction workers, farm workers, or even athletes aren't renting out their bodies?

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Post by manquer »

native_samples wrote: post #423
manquer wrote: post #420

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Interesting and insightful information. I wouldn't think $1000/ hour as lot from consultant PoV. The billable hours are only small part of the hours compared to time put in other related work, in this case activities like screening, adverts, keeping fit, healthcare, accessories, photo-shoots adverts etc. At the same time the sense I get from your post is few hundred/hour as mid range and not high end, maybe it is my…

Only 3-4 appointments would have been considered a bad day, by this woman. You'd think it'd be exhausting but they are usually young and have a lot of energy, and 3-4 hours work is a lot less than most people do per day. The men come to them usually. For the high throughput cases they team up with another girl who pretends to be them on the phone and handles the scheduling and screening because that's also a full tim…

In the blog post she talks about ID cards linkedin profiles, paystubs, blacklists ,refs from other escorts thats a ton of PII!.

My understanding was cash is more because tax or no service from formal banking, not directly to hide identity

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Post by mikevm »

beecafe wrote: post #436
mikevm wrote: post #435

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No you may not. You are once again confusing people who rent out their time and those that rent out their bodies (prostitutes). You are really clutching at straws here trying to make prostitution morally equivalent to every other job in the market.

You don't think that construction workers, farm workers, or even athletes aren't renting out their bodies?

There is clearly a difference. You can pretty much tenuously claim that every type of job affects your body/health in some way, but there is a difference between doing manual labor to being literally f*cked in the ass. (Had to use the bad language to get the point across)

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Post by sershe »

mikevm wrote: post #435
sershe wrote: post #429

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You might as well say the same thing about software developers. Instead of working honest jobs with their hands like most people, they just have to sit in a chair and be smart. Even if they get a real job, when the times get rough they will just go back to developing. Where is personal responsibility? Where is dignity? Making an effort to make an honest living?

No you may not. You are once again confusing people who rent out their time and those that rent out their bodies (prostitutes). You are really clutching at straws here trying to make prostitution morally equivalent to every other job in the market.

It is not me who is confused. In either case selling time IS selling limited power over yourself, the use of your capabilities. My employer pays me to think about their problems and solve them with my brain (and fingers). A client of a sex worker pays them to use other mental skills and body parts.

How is one different than the other? There are many jobs that you would consider "normal" that are far more dangerous (e.g. logging or deep sea fishing), or where you are treated with much less dignity either directly (customer support, etc.) or indirectly (a modern warehouse job where you are a glorified manipulator attachment); in almost any jobs, workers could be exploited, trafficked, etc.

What in particular (with some basis in physical reality) makes sex work special compared to all of those?

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Post by beckman466 »

mikevm wrote: post #432
beckman466 wrote: post #427

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "once a whore, always a whore" > Basically, once a woman tries out whoring > weird analogies claiming that whoring (renting out your body for money) is just like physical labor, which is fscking insane. > How is being sexually penetrated by a stranger, ejaculated on, etc... anything like a man doing manual labor? well we've found our misogynist > Why is she even a single-mom in the first place? right, because women…

> well we've found our misogynist Pointless name calling. > right, because women have bodily autonomy and basic health care services available to them everywhere. yes i am talking about abortion You already have bodily autonomy, you can a) make sure you use a condom or better yet, an IUD b) refrain from sex unless you are OK with getting pregnant. Every time I see an argument about abortion, pro-choice advocates choo…

> Pointless name calling.

you realize you are the one referring to women who do sex work as 'whores'....

> You already have bodily autonomy, you can a) make sure you use a condom or better yet, an IUD b) refrain from sex unless you are OK with getting pregnant.

again showing your misogynist colors; where is male contraception? where is the vasectomy in your list of recommendations/strategies?

> ignore the choice aspect of having sex in the first place.

seriously, you are digging such a deep hole here

> Maybe it is not clear to some people that sex is first and foremost a means of reproduction, and not just pleasure?

um what?

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