Facebook-owned sites were down • Hacker News Board

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by boston_clone » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

Reubachi wrote: post #320

wyager wrote: post #263

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Can you not use an Oculus headset if FB servers are down? That’s absurd.

Yep. We've come full circle, where techies are rediscovering the original hatred for the Oculus, that it is tied to a social media walled garden, for some reason.

I think you may need a refresher on their history - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oculus_(brand)#History

When FB announced they would be buying Oculus, they promised that no social media integration would be required. FB breaking that promise is not the same as Oculus having that requirement from the get-go.

What original hatred are you talking about??

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by ggerules » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

rocho wrote: post #194

elboru wrote: post #169

Is it just me or HN also feels kinda laggy?

I can confirm, HN, GitHub and Slack are very slow for me as well. Google is very fast, on the other hand.

Also slow for me also.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by teddyh » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

Here we can see why you should not have all your DNS servers in the same AS (in this case, AS32934).

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by ChefboyOG » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:35 PM UTC

pmontra wrote: post #341

jliptzin wrote: post #215

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Of all the big tech companies Facebook is the only one where it can completely disappear overnight and my life would be completely unaffected (or possibly improved by not having to explain to people I don't use facebook, please email or text me your invitations rather than use messenger). If Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple disappeared the story would be completely different.

Maybe Google, because of the search engine. Android: somebody will fill the void. Messaging: people have been switching on hordes to every new free messaging system in the 90s and early 2000s, we will adapt to something else. Netflix and video in general: same thing without the 90s/early 2000s. Amazon: very convenient store, we'll spend a little less and somebody will fill the void. Apple: can't say, never bought any…

I dunno. If AWS went away suddenly, or if Google Search/the G-Suite suddenly stopped existing, the internet as we know it would need some time to recover.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by dominotw » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

drcongo wrote: post #66

Let's hope it's permanent.

i talk to my parents in India everyday in india. Watsapp is the only game in town there.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by Devasta » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

standardUser wrote: post #289

jliptzin wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Of all the big tech companies Facebook is the only one where it can completely disappear overnight and my life would be completely unaffected (or possibly improved by not having to explain to people I don't use facebook, please email or text me your invitations rather than use messenger). If Google, Amazon, Netflix, Apple disappeared the story would be completely different.

Facebook is an unparalleled titan in the realm of advertising and WhatsApp is basically a utility-level communication system for a big chunk of the globe. Instagram is a key cultural driver of the Western world. You many not feel any direct firsthand consequences, but the overall impact would transform the world around you.

Facebook is implicated in genocide in multiple countries, and Instagram is nothing but a psychotic lie factory designed to induce depression and self loathing in young women.

The world would only improve if it disappeared.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by markchristian » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

kerng wrote: post #380

kossTKR wrote: post #291

Reddit r/Sysadmin user that claims to be on the "Recovery Team" for this ongoing issue: > As many of you know, DNS for FB services has been affected and this is likely a symptom of the actual issue, and that's that BGP peering with Facebook peering routers has gone down, very likely due to a configuration change that went into effect shortly before the outages happened (started roughly 1540 UTC). There are people now…

Wondering how Facebook communicates now internally - most of their work streams likely depend on Facebooks systems which are all down. Can engineers and security teams even access prod systems anymore? Like, would "Bastion" hosts be reachable? Wonder if they use Signal and Slack now?

To the communication angle, I've worked at two different BigCo's in my career, and both times there was a fallback system of last resort to use when our primary systems were unavailable.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by astridpeth » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

mov31tmov31t wrote: post #347

snickersnee11 wrote: post #307

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Just imagine the amount of stress on this people, hope the money really worth it.

It shouldn't be too stressful. Well-managed companies blame processes rather than people, and have systems set up to communicate rapidly when large-scale events occur. It can be sort of exciting, but it's not like there is one person typing at a keyboard with a hundred managers breathing down their neck. These resolutions are collaborative, shared efforts.

I'm not an IT Operations guy, but as a dev I always thought it was exciting when the IT guys had in their shoulders the destiny of the firm. I must be exciting.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by shockeychap » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

I feel for the sysadmins who are fighting ulcers and migraines at the moment, but I can't shake feeling that the world is just a little bit better for this small window of time.

Re: Facebook-owned sites were down

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Post by not2b » Mon, Oct 04, 2021, 5:36 PM UTC

This is a great argument for the antitrust authorities to break up Facebook. Allowing the big social media companies to buy each other creates a single point of failure. If Instagram and WhatsApp were separate companies, a technical disaster at one would not take out the other two.