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When one of progressives guiding philosophies is “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” then this is exactly the plan. It’s all in their texts and one only has to read them to see plainly the type of policy they work towards.
Where are these texts? I didn’t know that this is actually written down
A generation of American men give up on college
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#432Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. Pleased the next generation is waking up. End of the day if the loan can't be written off, if the loan is just handed out to 18 year olds and has almost no limit then the organization that asks for the loan will inevitably balloon out of all proportion and no longer be reflective at all of the value you get ba…
> Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. I guess it means what you mean by “succeed”. Going to college is and always has been a reliable way towards earning more money[0]. The issue isn’t that college doesn’t work, the issue is that it’s basically an asset bubble of sorts and the cost exceeded its value. If huge chunks of future generations skip co…
> If huge chunks of future generations skip college because it’s unaffordable, that will be bad for us as a society. It would be much better to reduce the cost of college so that it’s more valuable for more people, rather than having younger generations opt out due to the high cost.
You'd think so. But then again look at healthcare in the US.
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#433“Over the course of their working lives, American college graduates earn more than a million dollars beyond those with only a high-school diploma, and a university diploma is required for many jobs as well as most professions, technical work and positions of influence.” From the article. There are folks getting useless degrees and/or taking on too much debt, but getting a college degree on the whole is worthwhile.
Earned* . These statistics should always come with caution that past performance does not guarantee future returns.
Re: A generation of American men give up on college
#434Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. Pleased the next generation is waking up. End of the day if the loan can't be written off, if the loan is just handed out to 18 year olds and has almost no limit then the organization that asks for the loan will inevitably balloon out of all proportion and no longer be reflective at all of the value you get ba…
Maybe, but I think it conflates two things: i) getting a college education and ii) the price of it. Maybe the price in the US just isn't right anymore. At the same time, the "elites" do make sure their offspring does get a prestigious (signaling) college/university education. So baring big changes to how society is run, some things will be difficult to get to without a college education.
The other problem is that prices have no relation to quality. The random private university that will saddle you with $250k in debt and no job prospects costs the same as Harvard, which will both give you more aid and give you a foot in the door pretty much anywhere. But the marketing to kids has been all about finding the right "fit" - not finding the school that will actually land them a job for a reasonable value.
And to top that off, career "fit" has been marketed so hard to kids that no one wants to go into specialized trades, which will both almost definitely pay way better and be way more fulfilling than the random inside sales job that they land right out of school
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Great news, the concept that you need college to succeed was one of the greatest lies told to my generation. I guess it means what you mean by “succeed”. Going to college is and always has been a reliable way towards earning more money[0]. The issue isn’t that college doesn’t work, the issue is that it’s basically an asset bubble of sorts and the cost exceeded its value. If huge chunks of future generations skip co…
Bad for us as a society how?
I imagine their point is people forgoing a post secondary education.
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#436Earlier quoted context omitted.
Maybe, but I think it conflates two things: i) getting a college education and ii) the price of it. Maybe the price in the US just isn't right anymore. At the same time, the "elites" do make sure their offspring does get a prestigious (signaling) college/university education. So baring big changes to how society is run, some things will be difficult to get to without a college education.
> Maybe the price in the US just isn't right anymore. Has it be right since at least the 1990s though? There’s clear divergence between income and college costs in the USA, and it’s hard to see why, given everyone in the industry seems to be taking a part of the honey pot. Seriously, how did we arrive to “textbook for a semester are more expensive than tuition is in other counties”?
> Seriously, how did we arrive to “textbook for a semester are more expensive than tuition is in other counties”?
Academic corruption. They get kickbacks from the publishers for forcing these (always crap) textbooks on their students.
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#437A lot of this is driven by narratives—A narrative that college isn’t worth it anymore. A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. And a narrative that those men aren’t wanted by society any more. I’m not convinced that all those men need to go to college, but they clearly need something. They need to feel like they’re part of society. Nothing good can come of an entire gener…
They need options. I feel our current school system isn't set up for young men at all. A lot would prefer hands on work as opposed to classroom learning. Promotion of trades schools as alternatives that aren't "lesser" would help a lot.
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. This is very perspective dependent. I’m a black college student now and every conversation with friends back home includes some mention of dropping out because it’s not for us as well. When you see people with equivalent resumes already coasting by in the job market because they could get their last names and LinkedIn photos past…
"I’m a black college student now and every conversation with friends back home includes some mention of dropping out because it’s not for us as well." I can only recommend that you have to base life decisions on your own experience, because it can differ dramatically. I have an experience from which I have drawn some conclusions - I am an immigrant and many of my co-immigrants are convinced that the locals dislike th…
> For a while I wanted to try a 'secret shopper' experiment
We did something like this! But we swapped slightly reworded resumes and the response ratio leaned even further in the white classmate’s favor. We just laughed, as if we couldn’t believe that what we half-joked about actually happened. I’m long past the point of being sad. I guess that’s life.
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#439Earlier quoted context omitted.
When one of progressives guiding philosophies is “The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination. The only remedy to present discrimination is future discrimination.” then this is exactly the plan. It’s all in their texts and one only has to read them to see plainly the type of policy they work towards.
I don't think that's actually something progressives generally believe. Do you have any evidence?
Read “How to be an Anti-Raciat” by Ibram X Kendi. It was a top selling book last year and he is a leading figure of the progressive left. His academic work is cited heavily in other progressive academic literature.
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
> A narrative that (white) men are uniformly privileged and life is just easy for them. This is very perspective dependent. I’m a black college student now and every conversation with friends back home includes some mention of dropping out because it’s not for us as well. When you see people with equivalent resumes already coasting by in the job market because they could get their last names and LinkedIn photos past…
complete your degree and then do federal contracting; for entrepreneurship: https://www.sba.gov/business-guide/grow-your-business/minori... > we’re not what companies are looking for even with fancy CS degrees. You are exactly what the federal government is looking for. US contract procurement has a significant racial spoils system within it.
This is one of the things I was looking into, thank you!