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Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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I think tech attracts a certain type of person... People with high iq but very low scores in compassion and care.

All high achievement types are like this, because high achievement[a] requires selfishness. Compare the law firm partner who works until midnight everyday while his wife and children languish at home, with the priest who volunteers at the food kitchen and adopts orphans. Both add some value to society, arguably, but one of them lives in a mansion and one in subsidized housing. Highly prosocial behavior is not always…

"High Achievement" is probably in the eye of the beholder.

I've written a fairly massive infrastructure system that is used throughout the world, and has, undoubtedly, saved lives. It will probably continue to do so, in some form or another, long after I take my dirt nap. It has formed the nucleus of an entire Service structure; not just one application.

Did I do it to be considered a "hero"? Did I do it for financial reward?

The answer to both is "No." I have stepped away from the project, and it has taken on a life of its own.

I developed the system over a period of a couple of years, at first, and refined it for a decade, before finding a team willing to take the reins. That required that I step away from the project, and cede total control: technical, IP, legal, etc., to the new team.

Before long, I'll be nothing more than a footnote in the historical record.

Thousands of people, around the world, use the system, every day. During the COVID impact on the users, it was rapidly adapted to serve a very new environment. It has always been completely localizable, and has a simple, powerful semantic interface that allowed all sorts of cool adapters that I only vaguely predicted, in 2008, when I started it.

I never charged a dime for it. In fact, it cost me thousands to maintain and evangelize it.

I'll probably never get credit for most of the work and planning that I did, and I'm fine with that.

I consider that "high achievement." I did a lot of it, because I needed to keep my tech chops up, and saw a need that could be filled. I enjoyed the process of envisioning the project's lifecycle, planning its genesis, and implementing it. It allowed me to do stuff that my employers would not let me do.

It wasn't because I'm some kind of saint, or martyr. In fact, a lot of folks, during its early years, thought that I was a cantankerous, dictatorial, controlling bastard. I needed to keep the project on task, and in focus. That often meant being a real dick (I'm good at that).

When I finally encountered some tech people that were qualified to handle it, and take it to the next level, it was important for me to turn it over completely, and get the hell out of the way. By that time, I was sick of it. I wanted to learn new tech, and work on different stuff. I basically slowed down the car, pushed it out onto the sidewalk, and went screeching off into the distance.

Most of the work that I've done, in the last four years, has been stuff that I wanted to do, for fun. I had a number of theories about developing high-quality software, I wanted to really get down and dirty with Swift, I wanted to develop applications that made me proud, and I wanted to work my ass off. I like working. You won't find me on a golf course. The coroner is gonna have to rub "YTREWQ" off my cheek, because I'll faceplant on my keyboard, when I pop my clogs.

I'm no saint, but I also consider myself to have a very high degree of Integrity. I have absolutely no desire at all to sacrifice that for money.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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I literally can't find a job in any kind of engineering. Applied for dozens of cleaning and production positions and couldn't get a job. You know what the media has become? A cesspool of bullshit unworthy of any trust. No wonder so many people mistrust actual experts, it's hard to even tell who they are.

> any kind of engineering > Applied for dozens of cleaning (...) positions Is this a common thing to do when applying for engineering jobs? What kind of qualifications do you even get where you 1. Are not specialized in a specific type of engineering (chemical, electrical, software, etc)? All these fields needs massive amounts of technical knowledge and I'm pretty sure I shouldn't be hired as a chemical engineer even…

I'm an electronics engineer by education. Sadly I've not worked in the domain (lol), but I have years of experience in electrical design and maintenance, digital marketing and sales, electronics repairs and maintenance, and construction.

But I won't complain about cleaning floors, working in a warehouse or as a delivery driver. It's a last resort type of job, but work is work.

My CV must be confusing as hell tbh, I just never understood why I should stay in one place for more than a few years. There's just nothing more to learn. But the real world disagrees.

Then again, one apparently needs years of education to set up a CCTV system or Wifi network in an office building in the real world, and you also have to be a smug asshole about it, an art that I have yet to master.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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There were many notable people who were exposed as to exposing that we all should be lockdown while breaking the rules themselves. It is quite frustrating when I live in an area where almost everyone followed the rules. Yes there is a quite an element to theatre to the whole thing, which makes sensible discussion about the issue impossible. Which I believe is somewhat by design.

> Which I believe is somewhat by design. That's a really interesting thought that had never occurred to me. Maybe somewhat akin to Steve Bannon's "flood the zone with shit" strategy.

There is a short by Adam Curtis called "Oh Dear". You may have seen it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wcy8uLjRHPM

The basic takeaway is that you make it impossible for the average person to keep up the thread of events and they become apathetic to it. I've also watched Adam Curtis's "Hypernormalisation". It is well worth a watch.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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That's because American's can't afford vacations without more money.

Americans have far more disposable incomes than Europeans. It's not even close. Average household consumption in the US is 65% higher than Germany.[1] [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_household...

Hard to know where those figures come from, and the article itself says they divide household by capita, which is extremely weird.

If we look at median wealth (don't use average because highly distorted by wealthy tail), the US comes below a lot of other countries:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_...

i.e. cherry picking and using invalid metrics can tell whatever story you wish.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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post #3

I literally can't find a job in any kind of engineering. Applied for dozens of cleaning and production positions and couldn't get a job. You know what the media has become? A cesspool of bullshit unworthy of any trust. No wonder so many people mistrust actual experts, it's hard to even tell who they are.

> You know what the media has become? A cesspool of bullshit unworthy of any trust. I wouldn’t label all media outlets under the same but mainstream media (think of what we grew up watching - CNN, NYT, BBC etc) is increasingly becoming what you described, opinion driven activism fueled journalism rather than reporting facts. It’s a sad state of affairs but across the world it is the same norm, journalists have turned…

Sorry, I'm pretty emotional these days on account of not getting any help from a healthcare system I'm paying into. My medication is right there on the shelves, alas there are no doctors available to prescribe it. Even though I am literally forced to pay for it.

Would anyone be interested in me documenting this, btw? It just seems like there's a whole lot of people that are ignored or shafted by universal healthcare and yet everyone seems to be singing praises about it.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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In some states in the USA a lot of service jobs will cap your work at 31 hours, to get around their own corporate policies of giving benefits to anyone who worked 32 hours or more.

And any company that has done this might see it coming back and biting them even though they would never admit that they brought it on themselves

Probably not. USA is a capitalist-first, worker-5th nation.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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post #3

I literally can't find a job in any kind of engineering. Applied for dozens of cleaning and production positions and couldn't get a job. You know what the media has become? A cesspool of bullshit unworthy of any trust. No wonder so many people mistrust actual experts, it's hard to even tell who they are.

I have just been on remote job hunt this past month, and have ended up with a lot of offers and maybe-offers (refused before getting the final letter, but things have been going this way) from US and Europe. And I'm not a native speaker, live in Eastern Europe and don't even have a degree, just work experience. Engineering labour market is extremely skewed towards the job seeker right now.

Yeah, I should probably move back there.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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Most likely that senator is from a net-taker state like kentucky or arkansas, one that would be bankrupt without california and new york overpaying the fed to subsidize poor republican states.

There is also more affluence in California and the Northeast vs Middle America. Regardless of politics Middle America is not going to be granted the same economic opportunities as coastal regions.

So, why should we subsidize them? I’m Californian and my taxes should go to help my home state, not those who hate me and my home?

Kentucky and the rest of those moocher states should pull themselves up by their boot straps, stand on their own two feet and sink or swim.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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post #360

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All high achievement types are like this, because high achievement[a] requires selfishness. Compare the law firm partner who works until midnight everyday while his wife and children languish at home, with the priest who volunteers at the food kitchen and adopts orphans. Both add some value to society, arguably, but one of them lives in a mansion and one in subsidized housing. Highly prosocial behavior is not always…

"High Achievement" is probably in the eye of the beholder. I've written a fairly massive infrastructure system that is used throughout the world, and has, undoubtedly, saved lives. It will probably continue to do so, in some form or another, long after I take my dirt nap. It has formed the nucleus of an entire Service structure; not just one application. Did I do it to be considered a "hero"? Did I do it for financia…

Yes, I included the footnote because I am defining high achievement as dominance of the social hierarchy.

Re: Employee shortages: Where have all the workers gone?

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I am an unemployed programmer. I am 50 years old. I have 15 years of C#, 15 years of sql server, two years of golang, two years of node.js, vue.js, svelte, css, html, postgress, rabbitmq, etc etc etc.... My skills list is about 10 times this short list I just threw up. They tell me there is a skills and labor shortage in tech. That's complete bullshit I am UNEMPLOYED for a year. I don't believe one dam word the gover…

If you do, stop including your birthdate on CV-s, and don't answer questions regarding your afe.
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