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Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

No. It normalizes OS vendor maintained AppStores which is a huge deal for Apple. The only way to avoid them now is to install Linux.

Linux distros also have equivalents to App Stores, and really an app store isn't different than apt-get from a lay persons perspective. Assuming you ignore payment/cuts, but it seems you're opposed to free App Stores too.

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Developers can use their own payment systems, and MS take nothing. That's a bit of a kick in the teeth to Apple.

Not at all. Because the lack of curation will make the ecosystem dead on arrival for 99% of users.

Lack of curation doesn't really matter for apps, where the user will find the software independently, and just use the MS Store for the final download.

And for games, the curation will be where it matters - on Xbox games pass.

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I tried Linux mint recently and was impressed. My parents seem to use it without issue. As long as you don’t game, need to use office or some other windoze software it seems like a viable choice.

Games should work fine on Mint. The only reason I can't recommend Linux for most people is that there is no usable office suite. And no the libre and open office really are not usable.

My parents mostly use google office for when they need it, which is like never.

Libre-office seems a little rough around the edges, but it works for 95% of use cases I can think of.

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So to summerize what they have announced (so far) - * A new look task bar. Centred similar to the macOS dock by default but lacking the ability to position on any other screen edge? * A new start menu design * Windows have rounded corners * Some built in apps such as the Xbox app and Microsoft Store have been redesigned (Xbox Game Pass and xCloud built into the Xbox app) * New touch keyboard (SwiftKey?) with improved…

IMHO, The main things of interest are the 40% smaller Windows Updates, TPM 2.0 requirement and Microsoft account requirement. * Windows Updates need to be solved even more comprehensively (get rid of winsxs or use smaller backing, adopt sane file locking so that reboots are less required, etc.). Still any improvement can justify a new version by itself. * Per wiki, TPM 2.0 was released in 2019 . 2019 wasn't that long…

> TPM 2.0 was released in 2019

This can't be right. I have 5+ year old PCs with 2.0 TPMs.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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No. Why am I paying a company more money to fix a problem they caused? I think I’ll just get a Mac.

If its anything like windows 10 was you could just never activate the license and nothing practically would be different, unless you wanted desktop backgrounds I believe. I barely notice the watermark anyhow telling me to activate windows for the last few years.

Use your Windows 7 key if you have one.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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I wish MS stopped doing redesign of their interfaces every couple of years and just fixed the broken stuff the introduced somewhere along the way. - Settings / control panel inconsistency and the other dozen places you can change configs for a single thing - Telemetry, ads and system crap - Package management and sandboxing And the list goes on.

Most of those are actually features. 1. Old control panels: Drivers may overlay or modify the window, so you can't really change them (don't forget: Windows supports many obscure devices like DAWs and heavy machinery, many things Linux users have never even considered connecting to a PC, and all of those have custom drivers from the device manufacturer that Microsoft doesn't control) 2. Telemetry, ads: Yes, this is a…

I meant broken more in the sense of "anti-pattern" practices. It's been a while I used Windows to develop anything, so I might be outdated on points 3 and 4.

I understand the driver conundrum, from a user perspective, though, it's unbelievable how confusing and scattered Windows settings are by default (settings app / control panel / registry / AppData) and doesn't seem to exist a firm curatorship of that.

On the telemetry, it's baffling that it may happen even on a paid license and we just put up with it.

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I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's s…

Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.

Windows Professional used to be for professionals. I think there is a strong argument that since Windows 10 it hasn't been, at least not for technically competent professionals. In 10, the Pro edition still has much the same user-hostile aspects as Home, which are inappropriate in a business context. If Windows 10 Pro had the same kinds of control over things like updates and telemetry as the Enterprise and Education editions, but without the volume licensing and large-scale management features that larger organisations want, it would still be suitable for small businesses or independent professionals.

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I tried Linux mint recently and was impressed. My parents seem to use it without issue. As long as you don’t game, need to use office or some other windoze software it seems like a viable choice.

Games should work fine on Mint. The only reason I can't recommend Linux for most people is that there is no usable office suite. And no the libre and open office really are not usable.

I've been exclusively using LibreOffice for ~10 years, and OpenOffice before that, and aside from just doing some things differently (not worse) compared to MS Office, it's been smooth sailing.

And for most people Google Docs or... Office 365 are all they really need.

Re: Microsoft announces Windows 11

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post #389

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I need a local account. I set up my PC with multiple profiles. I start with a local admin account and then I add Microsoft accounts for my day-to-day work. I have one profile logged in to my personal Microsoft account. Another is logged in to an Office 365 account that belongs to someone I do work for. Etc.. Why is MS encouraging people to have one giant admin account with a work or school account connected? That's s…

Windows professional for professionals. Windows home for grandparents. Always has been this way. I'm ok with that. The tiers of OS have different requirements and features. Expected.

I think this should not be related for OS tiers. Every user should have possibility to use different accounts on their computer, and to adjust permission levels of them and choose which one to connect to MS account.

One could be sceptical that with admin account required for MS account, telemetry collection and applying some other kind of restrictions is much easier to target the vast majority of the users.

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