LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator • Hacker News Board

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by throwaaskjdfh » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:09 AM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #417

throwaaskjdfh wrote: post #357

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EDIT: I was mistaken here, corrected by a response below. - I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. The best they could do is place vaccination centers in more convenient locations for underserved communities, and hope that it could raise the rate of vaccination in the vicinity. I think there were people assumin…

> I don't think there was a way for the public health authorities to create an explicit rule about neighborhood residency without inviting lawsuits. Zuckerberg Hospital in SF was offering vaccinations to targeted zip codes ahead of schedule, and they were verifying residency.

That's interesting, thanks for the correction. I was extrapolating from https://www.nytimes.com/2021/02/02/health/white-people-covid... but that might not have been applicable here.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by ggm » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:12 AM UTC

neonological wrote: post #393

dang wrote: post #352

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You changed what I said into " Of course on the surface you guys say you only downweight petty drama ". That was (a) a massive distortion—you can trivially see from https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que... that there are many other kinds of downweighting. On top of that, (b) you added snark (" of course ") and insinuation (" on the surface ") in a way that strikes me as particularly uncharitabl…

>On top of that, (b) you added snark ("of course") and insinuation ("on the surface") in a way that strikes me as particularly uncharitable No this is a misinterpretation or perhaps I thought the meaning was implied. The spirit of what I meant is that of course you would say something like: "HN only downweights things in the interest of the community but never in the interest of YC." >You've done it again with "Seems…

Can you address the semantic intent of your use of the word only and what Dan said please: the substantive point to me is you implied only == specific == evidence of bias and as Dan said it is well established they down weight for more than one reason which implies != only which I think, personally you haven't adequately addressed. You're basically wrong.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by slumpt_ » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:13 AM UTC

grzm wrote: post #410

neonological wrote: post #361

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Any post that challenges dang will likely get voted down. This is normal given his position and it's the price of admission (see my other reply to his post). People also rarely vote on how substantive your post is but on whether they agree with it or not. It's not in the spirit of HN to do this but you really can't control human behavior and people do this without being fully aware of it. Due to how human voting beha…

> "Any post that challenges dang will likely get voted down." While this may be the case, the comment you reply to is a particularly poor example on which to hang this comment. It's a snarky, insubstantive insinuation, regardless of whom it's in response to, and was edited to complain about downvotes. > "Still it's sorta good that this post wasn't outright deleted." It's likely it wasn't flagged and removed because i…

Oh don't worry, not complaining about downvotes. Just baffled that the community stands by that characterization of the issue at hand. Plays into crummy stereotypes about the tech community and their general naivety regarding social issues / norms (or perhaps worse, apathy?).

It's neither snarky nor insubstantive. It gets straight to the heart of the issue in few words. It does speak volumes. Few words can given context and choice.

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Post by myWindoonn » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:13 AM UTC

dasickis wrote: post #120

I'm the person this original tweet was about. None of you know any of the internal details but what I can state is that Paul has no idea what he's talking about and later admits to the fact I wasn't lying. Here's the order of events: 1. I went to a neighborhood clinic in Oakland, CA that's literally next door to my house, I can see the church from my window. Paul lives in NYC which is on the opposite end of the count…

You failed a basic ethical test: Can you wait until the needy have had their turn? The answer seems to be that no, you cannot. I recognize that YC views this as a positive trait in founders, but I hope that you recognize that the vast majority of folks view it as a negative.

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Post by havocsupreme » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

ed405 wrote: post #305

float4 wrote: post #32

That tweet is three months old. No way YC bans someone over a three month old tweet (unless they only discovered the tweet recently, which I doubt). I'm betting there's more to this story.

oh yes. they ban founders all the time. myself included. https://twitter.com/ekadamer/status/1400956227501318146?s=21

Not sure if you're allowed to say, but who was the misogynist/what was the context of her defense?

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by Judgmentality » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:14 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #295

magicalist wrote: post #282

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> Much as I'd love to, it's not my place to say why the original title was inaccurate, so I'll just remind you all that there are two or more sides to every story and not everything on Twitter is true. This reads a bit like "not to be that guy, but...". You won't say why for some reason, but clearly it's not to stay out of it because you're letting innuendo do the job. Alternative suggestion: "That is inaccurate but…

I don't see that alternative formulation as so different really? I'm sure you have a good point, I'm just not sure how to do it better. I needed to give enough of an explanation to satisfy people's curiosity at least a little bit even though I can't satisfy it for real. I also needed to make sure that my comment had enough information in it to answer (let's say) the top 10 obvious objections, or it would have brought…

I think you are unwittingly coloring your words, likely because you are frustrated by this post (it's petty drama you want to downvote but policy says you can't, and you have inside information you can't share). This is like subtle apophasis, where you're implying that the tweeter (wow that sounds so weird) is on the wrong side.

I'm not taking sides here, despite being a YC alum (alternate account) I stopped looking at the forum forever ago and had not even heard about this nor do I care, honestly I just thought it'd be fun to read some drama on HN since it's so rare here.

I think enough other people are commenting on this to suggest it's not just me. I think you mean well, but none of us are unbiased. It seems like a no-win situation though. So it goes.

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Post by gabereiser » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:16 AM UTC

kmonsen wrote: post #405

gabereiser wrote: post #329

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I didn’t lie to skip a line. I just showed up. Labeling me isn’t going to get people vaxed. Go get vaxed. Also, Karen’s (internet term) are people who complain about issues that don’t affect them personally or take offense at others actions that don’t matter to them. Or using their privilege to get what they want. I specifically stated I just showed up.

Oh, I really didn't think it was clear from your comment or follow up. Honestly I have friends who lied to get the vaccine early and I don't really want to blame them. We were all in different circumstances in this pandemic and like I tried to say I don't want to pass judgement. If you didn't lie I cannot see in any way how you did anything wrong. I read that you did from your follow-up post calling other people Kare…

>People lie to jump lines all the time. Hell, some people just cut them. Does it anger me personally, yes. Will it change the overall outcome, no.

I thought by me saying it angers me when people cut lines it was pretty clear that I follow the rules and will wait my turn. Glad you got vaxed. Tell others.

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Post by McFluff » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:25 AM UTC

an_opabinia wrote: post #390

dasickis wrote: post #365

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Since most of these self-righteous comments below still have no idea what they're talking about. The site was for overflow of vaccines that were going unused & being thrown out. The Oakland Coliseum is one of these mega-sites. So many of you don't understand the on-the-ground realities of the communities you're speaking of where I live. I see my neighbors and when FEMA is running these sites they know their goals. It…

You know you're in a bad place when you're engaging some "petty drama" by invoking generalizations about the "Black Community."

Where’d he do that? Honestly don’t see it.

He said he understand the realities of how bad covid is the that area and the areas around it because he lives there.

Then that it was within the guidelines for anyone from around the area to be able to get vaccinated at the site.

While some days there was less people than vaccinates ready to be used along with days where it was busier.

People in my city went to different neighborhoods where vaccines were available for them too. To put it perspective say there was a vaccine site in west Harlem with plenty of vaccines while the surrounding areas didn’t. People from west Harlem, Washington heights, all the ones surrounding that, the neighborhoods below 125th, the one that encompasses Columbia, etc... to try to get vaccinated as soon as they can. Pretty much everyone who’s working class in the city saw how bad covid hit here and in other major cities . Those who want a vaccine should get it as soon as they can, period.

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Post by random314 » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:27 AM UTC

jonny_eh wrote: post #372

random314 wrote: post #249

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However these vaccination sites were set up specifically for underserved communities. https://www.fema.gov/press-release/20210326/california-fema-... It also doesn't help that this person keeps changing his story all the time. On Twitter he claims that joe Biden announced that all adults are eligible for vaccination in March. This is patently false.

Link to that tweet?

https://twitter.com/Prafulfillment/status/140093960124245606...

"Also I never showed people how to skip a line given the rules for federal vaccination clinics were 18+ and the president announced it the same night as this rant."

The entirety of his reasoning that he didn't show people how to skip a line is based on the false premise that all adults qualified for a vaccine in March. In march, we had a tremendous shortage of vaccines for the 50+.

His tweets in march were super smug memes about what he did - "It is what it is". This simply doesn't jive with his story here that vaguely implies getting left over shots after waiting for hours. A completely different attitude from what he presents here. There is no verifiable history here, but I simply cant take the founder on his word.

Re: LOL just got kicked out of @ycombinator

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Post by NicoJuicy » Sat, Jun 05, 2021, 3:27 AM UTC

neonological wrote: post #412

NicoJuicy wrote: post #346

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Please chill. If you've never moderated a forum, you should start realizing that moderation is key to having a good community. Cherry-picking statements and acting like this is not appreciated. Fyi: I've been banned once and thought it was justified. They've done an amazing job to keep the community healthy and that's really hard to do. What Dang mentioned seems pretty clear: we won't moderate this because it involve…

I am chill. You're misinterpreting things. It's perfectly reasonable things may never go perfect. However. Things become sketchy when Dang changes the title and pins his own opinion at the head of the comment section. Gossip and news are literally the same thing. It feeds and lights up the same areas of the brain. It's hard to say whether this is gossip or news because from this guys post it looks like he got kicked…

Dang changed according to the > decade old rules.

He also added ~"there's 2 sides of a story". I don't see why Dang wouldn't be allowed to add a comment regarding this topic.

Every post about a company has an employee/CEO stating an opinion and often even stating their side.

Even if you would think Dang's opinion is subjective ( which i didn't interpret as such). Why would that suddenly be a problem?

I said chill for example because of this:

> Down weight? So you guys internally pick and choose topics to weight down? I thought HN was purely community driven with only comments being moderated.

You seemed ignorant to the basic fact that every half decent forum is moderated. And you "attack" them on something that is known by ( almost appearantly) everyone and the very thing that makes+keeps this community interesting.

Good moderation is too much undervalued from my POV. You only notice it when it's gone.

If I'm free to give my opinion, you seem to frustrated because people don't agree with you. I understand, it's normal and human behavior. You are not above it.

As an example your most recent comment

(first line)

> Any post that challenges dang will likely get voted down.

Ugh.

(Last line)

> Still it's sorta good that this post wasn't outright deleted.

Full of human behavior ( as you like to mention), because it doesn't fit your endgoal. Downplaying that the post isn't deleted, while admitting that the moderation was fair.

To be honest. Dang could have just moderated this thread. Reactions such as ours are the reason why and don't have any meaningful content.

But he choose not to. Even though he probably knew it would lead to content as this.

Useless content :)