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Post by ben7799 »

eldaisfish wrote: post #408
ben7799 wrote: post #349

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Right the stereotyping here is ridiculous and full of out of control virtue signaling. If you live in an apartment complex it's ridiculous to have a truck. But Even if you own just a reasonable suburban house with a small amount of land you need to do a lot of dirty truck type jobs every year. I only have half an acre of land, but due to tons of trees I have yard work every year that causes me to have to do many many…

this is a weak argument on several levels. if you need to move things five times a year, rent a pickup truck. Unless you're moving things on the regular, there's no point owning a very inefficient and heavy vehicle.

Who said anything about 5 times a year?

And most people on this site are driving ICE cars and SUVs which are much less efficient than an F-150 EV and are themselves very oversized.

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Post by api »

This might be the most significant EV after the Tesla Roadster, which is the EV that made them cool and started tipping the market.

Once your average truck driving country boy sees what "instant full torque" means, ICEs will start to get a reputation for being wimpy.

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Post by AngryData »

acomjean wrote: post #304
rootusrootus wrote: post #260

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> stereotyping of truck owners It's kind of ridiculous, really. You know who buys F150s? Everyone. If there were a stereotypical "truck owner" then Ford wouldn't sell better than a million of these every year. They have broad appeal to diverse demographics.

>You know who buys F150s? everyone except those strange ones that buy Chevy or GMC. Or the real outlier, those with Ram Pickups.... (I didn't realize this was a thing till my civil engineering company last century bought a GMC to replace the fords). To this day I remember a Huge Ram diesel dually with a big dog in the bed towing in a single roll of landfill liner (23 ft long and About 2000 lbs of plastic) and thinkin…

Buying a Chevy truck makes sense if you are upgrading from a 90s Chevy truck because they lasted a long time and were easy to maintain and cheap to repair. Mine is still going strong at 322K miles. Of course it isn't until after someone upgrades and puts a few years on a new truck do they realize they aren't as cheap and easy to maintain as the 90s version.

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Post by avidphantasm »

dboreham wrote: post #319
jrsj wrote: post #233

There’s a lot of stereotyping of truck owners going on in this thread which is kind of funny given how pro-EV HN normally is. It’s like the aesthetics of a pickup truck is offensive to some people. Kind of bizarre and not something I’m used to seeing but I guess I live in Ohio so that probably has something to do with it. A lot of people just want to move stuff, they don’t want to like…burn your house down while wear…

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Or just rent a pickup when you need it for $50 a day? Fancy-boy pickups easily cost upwards of $50k.

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Post by hirundo »

rcpt wrote: post #388
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Combination washer dryer in our prius https://ibb.co/Dp8YxM0 We've moved 5 times in the past 6 years and I spend a lot of time with outdoors hobbies (mountain biking, surfing -- pickups are hugely popular for both). But not owning a truck has never been an issue.

Now do a 4'x8' sheet of plywood.

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Post by zip1234 »

bryanlarsen wrote: post #336
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Ford also hasn't sold that many EVs (yet), so it's still eligible for the US $7500 federal tax rebate (unlike Tesla). (BTW: It seems like such an arbitrary and ultimately bad decision to cap rebates by manufacturer. Rebate caps for expensive luxury cars? Sure. But penalize a manufacturer for making _too many_ of the thing you're incentivizing doesn't seem right).

Ford has already sold over 100,000 EV's, and if they can't sell 100,000 Mach-E's in the next 12 months then they're doing something wrong. So by the time the F-150 becomes available their credit should be in the wind-down phase. Another likely scenario is that Biden gets his infrastructure bill through and the credit becomes available to all US-manufactured EV's.

The Mach-E is a great vehicle. The only thing that may hold it back is high price tag, but tax credits will help.

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Post by Unklejoe »

hannasanarion wrote: post #340
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Electric vehicles often have much better safety credentials than their ICE powered counterparts for a few reasons: * All of the weight is in the bottom of the vehicle, giving a lower centre of gravity. I'd bet this will kill the old F150 in a moose (or child!) test. * The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. This gives designers more wriggle room for pedestrian protection too.…

> The lack of engine means the entire front part of the car is a huge crumple zone. Crumple zones don't help pedestrians. The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers. The hood is so tall and long that they're talking about putting forward-facing cameras inside the cab because you can't see anything in front of you shorter than 6" tall out the windshield. If Ford was interested in…

> The new F-150 will be bigger and heavier than the absurdly huge early-00s Hummers.

And a Tesla Model 3 long range is heavier than a 2020 F-150.

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Post by etrautmann »

rcpt wrote: post #388
dboreham wrote: post #319

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Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Combination washer dryer in our prius https://ibb.co/Dp8YxM0 We've moved 5 times in the past 6 years and I spend a lot of time with outdoors hobbies (mountain biking, surfing -- pickups are hugely popular for both). But not owning a truck has never been an issue.

Same, I pack two bikes inside our regular Prius all of the time. I moved across country with it packed full, and regularly do furniture moves, skis, climbing gear with 4x people, etc.

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Post by throwaway0a5e »

rcpt wrote: post #388
dboreham wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Story from when we moved to Montana 20 years ago: We buy a freezer at Costco. Checking out, we ask for details on delivery. Costco employee says "Oh, we don't deliver". We had been used to Costco in CA which at the time would deliver large items. I ask "Well, how do people get big things like freezers home". Costco person says "Easy, just put it in your pickup, we'll help you load". "Hmm...we don't own a pickup". Cos…

Combination washer dryer in our prius https://ibb.co/Dp8YxM0 We've moved 5 times in the past 6 years and I spend a lot of time with outdoors hobbies (mountain biking, surfing -- pickups are hugely popular for both). But not owning a truck has never been an issue.

I own multiple station wagons fully agree with you. But what you're missing is that it's not about the ability to do things, it's about the image projected when doing them.

Over-specing vehicles is one of the ways the well to do advertise their well-to-do-ness. It's like a marble countertop but for the roads.

Sure you can put three kids in the back row of a Sentra, it has three seatbelts there after all. Sure you can haul plywood on anything with a roof-rack, that's what it's there for. Sure you can shove a washer in a Prius. All those things work great. Bust for most of HN to do them regularly would be "behavior below one's pay-grade" so to speak.

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