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I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Nope. You don't. The difference between both taxes and the "next in line" isn't large enough. Hedge funds pay as much as Google/Facebook, but work and life balance at SV companies is much better. Compare my two offers from a few years ago - well known hedge fund in CT vs a food delivery tech company. Well known hedge fund paid $250k+50k bonus for expected minimum 50hour weeks and 20 days of vacation time. Food delive…

maybe try going to actual top firms: JS, HRT $400k new grad TC, Free food, 40 hour work weeks, great company culture (many events) Facebook this year had many intern events trying to convince people that FB > Quant, evidently the brain drain is there

I'm considering making the next move in my career, can you expand on the top firms and by full name so I can find them?

Much appreciated :)

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Yes, there is. People are not spherical cows who will forget that they wanted top tier engineers. Edit: here's the definition that everyone is using, which you posted earlier > In common use, the term "shortage" may refer to a situation where most people are unable to find a desired good at an affordable price, especially where supply problems have increased the price. "

In economic terms, there is no shortage. There's a shortage in common parlance terms, sure. There is an easy solution - pay market rates. When people say there's a shortage of engineers, they mean there's a shortage of engineers at the price they're willing to pay.

No, they mean there is a greater lack of engineers compared to other occupations requiring similar levels of education and therefore we should put more effort into educating and importing engineers. Saying we shouldn't focus on getting more engineers in those cases is just dumb, the economy would greatly benefit, you just want to protect your currently privileged position at the cost of society as a whole.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Your profile lacks clear coding experience. And your highlighted recent experience as a game designer would just make me disqualify from any engineering role.

Discarding applicants for game dev experience and claiming there's a dev shortage is completely bizarre. It's like starting a restaurant and banning chefs with baking experience.

From the hiring manager perspective it’s a numbers game of time and risk mitigation. Firing people sucks; managing people out sucks. Not firing people that should be fired sucks. Unless you’re in a big company with centralized hiring and onboarding, having headcount that needs an expensive ramp up period sucks.

If you’ve done a lot of different things because you’re smart and creative, maybe I’ll have to spend more time making sure you’re motivated (so you’d have to be worth the extra time cost). It’s also common to see people with an ungrounded perception of their abilities, and I often see breadth-heavy people suffer from an inflated sense of their own abilities due to lots of small scale, diverse wins.

Most people don’t understand how valuable a hard worker who will agreeably take orders and deliver consistent results is; magnitude doesn’t even matter that much. Unless you’re single handedly driving significant business metrics (e.g., directly saving millions of dollars), from my perspective, my job success is tied to predicting your output. If I succeed, I get to expand the teams or build new ones. If a product release is late or buggy, it’s also wasting tons of other teams’ time or damaging customer relationships besides pushing the eng roadmap back.

We reject a bunch of faang people for having experience we don’t find valuable. If you work at a big tech company, but don’t have an impactful role, you’re potentially not going to succeed in a small startup at the level you’re demanding.

Finally, one bad hire can ruin a team (i.e., one bad hire converts others into bad hires). “Bad” is subjective and can refer to different things. At the end of the day, it’s my job to define it and make sure we’re avoiding it. You can ask about this in an initial phone screen, or in a follow up conversation because it’s not secret, but I can’t talk to you about it after we reject you due to lability.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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>50% can't do FizzBuzz How can someone possibly call themselves a programmer (let alone a developer applying for a job) when they can't even pseudo something like fizzbuzz ? How can they use any API, tool or even copy code from SO without knowing how to write a foreach and a conditional inside?

> How can someone possibly call themselves a programmer… when they can't even pseudo something like fizzbuzz? Agreed. On the other hand, I can count the number of times I've used modulo professionally on one hand, so I wouldn't be too shocked to encounter a competent programmer who had't heard of it.

If I do FizzBuzz people can invent an API function rest_of_division() if needed, or can_be_divided_by(). FizzBuzz (or something more complex) for me is a coding check, not an API/syntax knowledge test.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Software engineers should not compare themselves to a basket that includes (presumably) labourers, tradesmen, etc. SEs are educated, highly-skilled individuals and should thus be compared to the VALUE the NYC society places on other highly skilled, in-demand individuals. Be assured that NYC lawyers, radiologists, and bankers don't compare their remuneration to an average that includes dustmen, baristas, and hot-dog s…

Software engineers did ten years ago. That you think the proper reference class for SEs is higher professionals, not the general population, or even engineers generally speaks volumes about how things have changed in the past decade or so. There are lots of actual engineers being outearned by boot camp grads with two years experience. That’s nuts, and it’s quite new.

How is SE today less complex than 10 years ago? It seems to me that even as tools today are more powerful and basic compute and storage are cheaper, non-functional requirements have only ballooned.

e.g. Lotus 1-2-3 was probably far easier to develop than Google Sheets presently.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Automatic filtering is annoying, but there are plenty of tools that will scan your resume and tell you what keywords they find. I once spent weeks crafting a catchy looking resume with a fixed width font and ascii art. It didn't get any responses, and I didn't understand why until I put it through one of these scanners and realized that the program I had used to save the PDF had strangely encoded all of the text in r…

It sounds like you could have just opened the PDF that was generated to double-check it too. Sending off a derivative file without proofing seems like a big YOLO move to me

Visually the PDF was fine. But machines were reading it backwards. Not sure why.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Hard to take this seriously with all the straw men and broad generalizations. Reality check: there has never been a hotter seller's market for software engineering talent. The fact that you have not landed a job does not mean that supply is not short in general. Rather than blowing your stack at some recruiter who you heard on a podcast interview, you might want to reflect on yourself and how you might be coming off…

read CtCI CtCI?

Cracking the Coding Interview

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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If it happens too often people don’t like it, but this particular topic hasn’t been seen in a while, and it’s something people feel fairly strongly about, so it makes sense that it keeps coming up once in a while.

This is one of the most harped on topics on HN.

True. When I say I haven’t seen it in a while I mean the past two weeks or so.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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As a perfectly competent dev having immense difficulty getting anyone to consider me for any position, I cannot see this as anything other than false. I have a job now (and by all accounts my employer is really happy with me), but the interview gauntlet I had to run to get here was absolutely ridiculous.

You're in Japan, yeah? Seems like that might be a barrier if you're applying for SV jobs.

Not applying to those eh. Then again, remote positions suffer from exactly the same symptoms.

Re: I am sick and tired of hearing tech companies complain about developer shortages

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Yeah this sounds more like a crazy anecdote to me. I once had a new CTO come in at a place I’d been working at for about a year and a half, and he refused to interview any candidates that weren’t Muslim (as existing staff were replaced 1 at a time). While this is extremely fucked up, I would be surprised if I could find another tech company in the state where this happened. Cursing at someone for having experience in…

Why didn't you report this? It's open-shut unlawful.

Someone did, HR (one person) said he was just being paranoid & racist lmao
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