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Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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Post by officeplant »

soperj wrote: post #220
liminalsunset wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

For what it's worth, at the school this happened at, UBC, Proctorio is now effectively banned, along with other similar "algorithmic" proctoring tools, and exams are no longer allowed to use it with some exceptions. They've moved to Lockdown Browser without the recording, and to Zoom proctoring. In my opinion, neither are particularly effective measures against cheating, and I'm sure they are trivially bypassable. Th…

This is silly. Make the exams open book and then the only thing you really need to worry about is the correct student taking the exam. If you're testing based on memorization of things in this day in age, then the course is useless.

By far this is my favorite part of working in the fire & safety industry. Open book exams for certifications just show that you know how to apply the knowledge within the code books. All it requires is that I remember a handful of section numbers relevant to areas of the code.

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Post by mousepilot »

cmckn wrote: post #353
anticristi wrote: post #292

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Our university physics teacher allowed us to bring one-page self-made cheat sheet. By the time you compressed the essence of a whole course into a one-pager, you were pretty much done learning. :))

I still have a couple of the cheat sheets my study group compiled -- they're so fun to look back on. One for Computer Organization is almost unintelligible to me now; we were so proud of the density of that sucker.

did your instructor also allow a desktop microscope?

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Post by milkytron »

SirSourdough wrote: post #430
milkytron wrote: post #397

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How did you find out they live together?

Not every university / university class is big. Most likely explanation is that they simply said they live together.

Ah, that'd make sense. I would just think that they wouldn't mention it if they planned on cheating lol.

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Post by 2pEXgD0fZ5cF »

GordonS wrote: post #348
em-bee wrote: post #15

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it's pretty unrealistic to expect everyone to have a spare laptop around.

Assuming you have enough RAM, I guess you could run it in a VM.

Programs like this usually attempt to detect and forbid being run in a VM.

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Post by stjohnswarts »

I'm sorry but lock the computer down and have a proctor. It's worked for hundreds of years. Teaching younger people that it's okay to be surveilled 24/7 is frankly BS and we need a new Digital Bill of Rights as of yesterday. Humans deserve dignity, if you treat everyone like a criminal they start to feel like one and drive up their anxiety levels Also fuck Proctorio and its ilk

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Post by [deleted] »

smiths1999 wrote: post #287
soperj wrote: post #220

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This is silly. Make the exams open book and then the only thing you really need to worry about is the correct student taking the exam. If you're testing based on memorization of things in this day in age, then the course is useless.

I teach at the university level and this is what I have done with my exams. Everything is open book and in my experience there is no difference in the average exam score between open book online and closed (or open) book in person. It is also way easier for me to not have to worry about who is cheating and where everyone is looking (I also don't like the idea of forcing students to turn on their webcams).

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Post by lostcolony »

yhoneycomb wrote: post #429
lostcolony wrote: post #178

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Only if the goal is simply "get a job, anywhere". If the interview is to mutually figure out if you should work for the company, there is no such thing as a damned if you do, damned if you don't; all it can be is a "they care about what I care about" or "I don't want to work there".

Being able to pick your job that way is a privilege, and it certainly isn’t granted to everyone in all fields

Hence my first statement. That said, the whole context was about a software company.

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Post by steelframe »

whimsicalism wrote: post #274
steelframe wrote: post #273

I conducted interviews at Google for about 8 years. I would often run across a fresh-from-college candidate who fell flat on their face, and all I could think was, "You've somehow managed to waste 4 years of your life and tens of thousands of dollars doing whatever it was you were doing for all that time." Some performed so poorly that I could only conclude that they cheated their way all the way through their progra…

Perhaps people get stressed in interviews? For instance, I don't code in C that often, and if asked, I'm not sure I could remember off the top of my head if the function signature is `memset(dst, value, n)` or `memset(dst, n, value)`. My guess from intuition is the first, but I would be hemming and hawing a bit if asked in an interview something like that. Also, many CS programs are easy enough that you'll never even…

> Perhaps people get stressed in interviews?

Like I said, "Of course I recognize that some people may have been severely impacted by the technical interview process to the point that they were intellectually paralyzed."

> I'm not sure I could remember off the top of my head if the function signature

That would be a terrible question. Of course I wouldn't ask that.

Re: EFF sues Proctorio on behalf of student falsely DMCA'd

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Post by steelframe »

filoleg wrote: post #328
whimsicalism wrote: post #274

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Perhaps people get stressed in interviews? For instance, I don't code in C that often, and if asked, I'm not sure I could remember off the top of my head if the function signature is `memset(dst, value, n)` or `memset(dst, n, value)`. My guess from intuition is the first, but I would be hemming and hawing a bit if asked in an interview something like that. Also, many CS programs are easy enough that you'll never even…

From my personal experience (and that of many friends of mine) who interviewed at Google, you won't be asked about memset or any C-related question unless you stated you were proficient in C and picked C as your interviewing language. Knowing this context might actually explain the situation that the parent comment describes a bit better. It is absolutely possible, as you described, to be perfectly capable within you…

> you won't be asked about memset or any C-related question unless you stated you were proficient in C and picked C as your interviewing language

I might not ask about C-specific context, but if you don't know how to write a value to a sequence of bytes, you have no business being a SWE at Google.

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