India’s second wave • Hacker News Board

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by mensetmanusman » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 3:46 PM UTC

estaseuropano wrote: post #326

KorematsuFred wrote: post #232

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I was born poor. One american idea that does resonate with me after coming to USA is that a lot of poor people do not see themselves as poor. While their struggles are real they do not see themselves as losers but rather see themselves as strugglers who will eventually make it some day. They make life better for themselves and others. That was the case with my family. We lived in a house whose floor was basically pai…

Not to diminish your experience, but you are an exception. Most poor people stay poor, no matter how hard they work. And most poor people prefer free food over no food. You are right that most would prefer a dignified job and agency over their lives, but to say that people prefer to starve than to accept aid, or that it is just fine as a matter of policy to let people starve (or die of diarrhea as hundreds of indian…

His views reflect reality, they are probably less statistically likely. Any good political solution has to recognize the effects of agency and surroundings.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by chillacy » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:09 PM UTC

wiz21c wrote: post #12

throwaway4good wrote: post #6

It is sadly predictable that the pandemic would end up becoming a permanent source of havoc in less developed part of the world, even as it comes under control in the west. This will for certain be with us for many years to come and will further distort the difference between rich and poor. Not at least helped by the nationalism in the west in form of export controls and patents.

> less developed What do you mean by "less developed" ? Those people have been with us on earth for the very same period of time as any other human. So they have been developing themselves culturally, economically, whatever-ally as much as any other human.

I can see the desire not to look down on others, but economic development isn’t measured in time as much as wealth accumulation. Wealth begets wealth too, so the wealthy countries today tend to be the winners of the industrial revolution (most of Western Europe and Japan which industrialized early).

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by sangnoir » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:15 PM UTC

mikem170 wrote: post #421

sangnoir wrote: post #405

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> That works out to 1 out of 570 people that have died of covid. Mostly older and less healthy folks. Your assumption is that what the USA went through, with the shutdowns is the worst-case scenario. I posit that it is not - things could have been far worse in terms of death, as well as second- and third-order effects on the economy, jobs and food security.

You said "the survival of the species" was at stake. Are you telling me that you stand by that comment? Do you really think this coronavirus might have killed off our species? There is zero science supporting this. In fact, to the contrary, experts from the beginning expected this to peter out on its own [0]: > 2019-nCoV joins the four coronaviruses now circulating in people. “I can imagine a scenario where this beco…

> You said "the survival of the species" was at stake.

That wasn't me saying that; I'm not gp. I was only objecting to your comment that implicitly assumed a linear effect, and therefore concludes that things wouldn't have been bad without shutdowns

>> That works out to 1 out of 570 people hat have died of covid.

I do not think the "survival of the species" was at stake, but our 2020 lifestyles were at stake. Things could have gotten much worse, in a non-linear, exponential manner.

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Post by vram22 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:21 PM UTC

lolthishuman wrote: post #373

vram22 wrote: post #332

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Fool or troll or prejudiced frigtard that you undoubtedly are, where, above, have I said that I don't understand it? If I haven't said it, it is your wrong understanding or claim (unless there is good evidence), which is why I 'decorated' you with those above adjectives :), just as you implied wrong shit about me. Dry up and blow away, weakling. Don't pollute this space for your pathetic ego-boosting kicks. Update: A…

You sound just like a religious zealot.

Har de har har.

Pot calling the kettle black, you jingoistic freak.

I notice you did not address even a single one of the points in my comment that you replied to just above. Typical age-old cowardly attention-diverting rabble-rousing tactic, well-known to all.

Spout more bile to your heart's content. I will not dignify your trollery / tomfoolery with a reply. I'm done with this thread.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by vram22 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:30 PM UTC

Abishek_Muthian wrote: post #392

vram22 wrote: post #333

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So, by the quick probably prejudiced knee- jerk downvotes for a factual statement, I can see that anti-science (or maybe even anti-minority community)? types on HN are alive and buzzing, in their cesspools. Sharing this subthread on Twitter, so more people can see the fun and filth.

Don't take it hard upon yourself, I think there's anti-mask activity here judging from the how all pro-mask or 'mask facts' comments have been down-voted(likely automated). Perhaps @dang can verify it, But I don't want to impose as moderating HN is extraordinarily hard job as it is.

Likely. Thanks. I'm not taking it hard, though. Thoroughly enjoyed blasting that troll and donkey, the HN (mis)user called lolthishuman, though I only do it if someone else starts such petty nonsense, as anyone can see from my HN comment history. Cheers.

Update: Speaking of comment history, I just took a quick but good look at the history of user lolthishuman, the user who tried to troll me above, to analyze why anyone would do such dumb cheap shit.

As expected from someone with such silly comments (to me) and such a giveaway (to their mentality) losername, many of their previous comments on other threads were downvoted, and some heavily. That is very telling ... The most charitable assessment is that they probably don't have a good or maybe even any semblance of a life, outside of forums where they troll, anonymously, and weakly, at that.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by nradov » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

sudosysgen wrote: post #283

nradov wrote: post #253

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Redistributing wealth won't help if the store shelves are empty. People have to be out there working and making stuff or else we won't have any stuff.

Only around 2-8% of people in cities need to work to sustain everyone's livelihoods. As for those who live off of agriculture, you can ensure basic self sufficiency.

Do you even live in the real world? Because your numbers are just totally disconnected from reality. In my city way more that 8% of people work in essential fields like food production and distribution, emergency services, utilities, transportation infrastructure, vehicle repair, home repair, healthcare, military, etc.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by vram22 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 4:41 PM UTC

lolthishuman wrote: post #153

vram22 wrote: post #149

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The guideline is: your mask protects me, and my mask protects you. From what I read earlier, when COVID19 was new, the guideline is based on the physics of masks and airflow, and how masks reduce transmission of the virus via speaking, sneezing and coughing.

So based on a belief you don’t actually understand. Got it.

>a belief you don’t actually understand

Also, get your logic and wording straight, before you fart in public.

One does not understand or not understand a belief.

One believes a belief.

One understands facts.

Ta ta, bye bye, for ever.

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Post by orblivion » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 5:23 PM UTC

dartharva wrote: post #399

orblivion wrote: post #201

How many people close their windows and use air conditioning in India nowadays? Is it that season now?

Most don't. At most the ones in drier regions use cheaply-made desert coolers (that are effective, no doubt), but air conditioning systems are a sign of luxury in India.

That's what I figured. And it was one plausible explanation I had for how apparently India wasn't doing so badly before. But I guess it's not enough. Though I'm not sure if the desert cooling systems means closed or open windows.

(The other explanation was that the numbers weren't trustworthy, based on a the assessment of a friend living in India now.)

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by ls612 » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 6:04 PM UTC

BugsJustFindMe wrote: post #403

ls612 wrote: post #389

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So it is really about signaling your affiliation at this point. At least you admit it. I wore a mask since last summer but the idea that I still need to wear it for no medical purpose, when over half of eligible Americans have received at least one shot and that number is rising every day, is just pure performative politics. And the cost isn’t zero. It prevents others from seeing my face which is a critical component…

> no medical purpose The first reason I gave was medical. Maybe you missed it? It's the one marked with a 0. > It prevents others from seeing my face I'm sure it's a very nice face. What if you carry a photo of it on a necklace? Best of both worlds. > over half of eligible Americans have received "Eligible" is a weasel word in this context because it artificially constrains the set of people that you're taking into a…

When we get to a point soon where the only people without immunity are either intransigent anti-vaxxers (for whom its their own fault if they get sick) or small children (who only get sick very rarely from covid, much more rarely than even young adults) then we can just ignore the disease as a society. Yes, over time variants will evolve and cause cold like symptoms in vaccinated people, but that's how every single common cold came about originally! Doctors have been saying since last year that this would happen with covid too.

The idea being thrown around that people should continue to wear masks for the rest of their lives is just not justifiable.

Re: India’s second wave

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Post by raghava » Thu, Apr 22, 2021, 7:13 PM UTC

Many out here are saying that "the system has collapsed".

They are _SO_ wrong. We never _had_ a system to begin with, in the first place!

Our "system" is only _EXPOSED_ now, to the entire world.

What's seen and exposed now, is what had been operational for the last 30 odd years. Everything needs some strings to be pulled and some hands made warm with a stash of notes.

A nation full of mostly meek, timid, inherently corrupt people all of a sudden wondering that "our system has failed! uiuiuiui!"

Indian nation had a grand opportunity at getting better. The Indian public just shat on it and smeared cowdung listening to the right wing propaganda. Now, let them drown in cow-urine / dung.