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Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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I am so thankful to work in an environment where everyone is just... normal. We don't have to walk on egg shells when speaking. Men and women can still interact like it was before I started reading about such insanity.

Then why post from a throwaway account?

Because their workplace might be normal but the wider web is not so a comment like this could hurt future job opportunities. Especially on HN where you are not able to delete your account or comments.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Sexism is not a fixed category. Every comment falls on a spectrum between absolutely sexist and absolutely not sexist. But when we evaluate how sexist a comment was, it's much simpler to label it as "sexist" or "not sexist". This label loses all context, especially when we share it with someone who wasn't there or otherwise doesn't have that context. So outside of the fact that sexism exists, this problem isn't speci…

Comments do not fall on a spectrum between "absolutely sexist" and "absolutely not sexist". Comments exist as fixed points in space, and the observers fall on a spectrum of "absolutely going to call the comment sexist" and "absolutely going to call the comment not sexist". The men who are "clamming up" are judging the audience of their comments and deciding that the potential costs of honesty are just too high compared to the benefits. They know that they will no longer get the benefit of the doubt and that they will be convicted without trial. If the punishment for traffic infringements was death and you were immediately judged, convicted and executed by the police officer on the scene, there will be a large number of people who would simply stop driving.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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As an investor, of course I clam up. I spend my days looking at the world in terms of risk-adjusted returns and cost benefit analyses, so why would I take a human capital risk? My entire business is based on my reputation and I've seen what happens to the men who get comments like "not the best with women at conferences" or "don't get him too close to your wife." It's limiting beyond your career. I can count on two h…

There is another side effect to this that I would add as a casual investor. My bar for getting involved in a US startup is much higher than it used to be, because it's hard to make uncomfortable changes that might be construed in the wrong way. I find myself investing more freely in other countries where there is more upside and less risk of a career-destroying media storm. China for example has all kinds of unique r…

If you walk away from the next Google/Facebook/Microsoft because of worries about US culture, that's on you. There are a lot of hot opportunities in China and around the world, but the US is still pumping out IPO unicorns. I'd be more worried about missing out on the next Tesla or AirBnb as the greater risk

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#434

Knowledge of history has gone down, year over year. Students are more likely to get a propagandized and highly skewed caricature of history that leaves out certain "inconvenient truths." This is also an overcorrection.

Thisis a baseless claim. Personal experience doesn't count.

The overwhelming majority of history education leaves out inconvenient truth of vile and anti democratic acts committed in the name of American Capital interests.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which students, and where? I don't see that happening locally, but perhaps it's different where you are?

Well over 90% of people those ages I interacted with online are for throwing out principles like Free Speech and innocent until proven guilty -- it just depends on the context for them. To understand those principles, it's necessary to understand their historical origins. Virtually none of the young people in such conversations understood those things and none of them cared. All basically responded to such informatio…

Odd, you'd think that if they are students (and therefore, study), they would be familiar with the concept of creating an informed opinion. Pretty much everyone I've talked to locally has enough knowledge on the UNHCR, Geneva Convention and Fundamental Principles (comparable to a 'constitution' - the base of all other law) and even simpler things like the Trias Politica.

Perhaps there is a difference in that is classified as a genre of 'student' or it's a difference in age group (be it older or younger). It's hard to make comparisons across the world :-)

On the other hand, any case where the people that are forming the 'next' generation don't know how the basic principles of their society work is a sad/bad case.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

People can make up whatever motivation they want if they feel slighted. All it takes is for the female founder to ascribe sexism to the VC when he suggests swapping CEOs, and you've got the entire media circus on your neck. And then people stop being rational actors when mob mentality kicks in.

Well if that was the case where are all the horror stories ? With the acceptance rates of startups at VC pitches etc., shouldn't we be expecting a lot of VCs being hounded with allegations of sexism and the media circus going amok? How is YC still in business given their acceptance rates?

> Well if that was the case where are all the horror stories?

Pre-empted by the abundance of caution described in the article? It's not a very deep game, so I assume the strategy in question is readily apparent to almost any man in such a position.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine a woman were to say, if we don't put an end to casual sexism, the end result we're heading for is that men will take any woman they see, kidnap her, and lock her in a dungeon. A much more realistic and likely outcome, and a far less hysterical perspective than yours, is that the needle was way too far one way, now people are learning to cope with it shifting, and if we try to be more empathetic, perhaps getti…

> men will take any woman they see, kidnap her, and lock her in a dungeon. > And, of course, women do not want the vote Please keep this sort of flamebait out of your HN posts. It's guaranteed to make everything worse, and you can make your substantive points without it. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

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Female founder here. Just wanted to say I'm much more interested in advice and feedback from other successful founders than investors. It also seems like investors are more concerned about reputation than founders.

Isn't that setting yourself up for a selection bias?

Where as an investor probably has a wider range of experience to draw advice from, potentially having seen companies both succeed and fail.

Re: Female Founder Secrets: Men Clamming Up

#440

And the consequences of being accused of sexism by an online mob have now become so extreme that many investors don’t want to risk it anymore. Forgive me, but, what exactly are these "consequences"? I can see it for e.g. line employees, especially in communications or media roles, but for investors? What happens, they lose some Twitter followers? Slightly fewer companies beg them for money? I've never ever heard of a…

There are more important things than money. Having your name dragged through the mud, having people presume you are a disgusting sexist before they have even met you, these are things that can destroy a person regardless of their wealth.
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