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Ratting people out to the government is hip now... crazy times.
In what convoluted mistreatment of facts and/or logic and/or morality is it either new or unexpected to, if one is capable of it, support law enforcement in the prosecution of terrorists?
I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…
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I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…
Calling democrats center right by worldwide standards is a bit of a stretch.
If you are comparing to worldwide, please remember a large majority of the world are still socially far right by American standards, take women’s rights and gay marriage for example.
If you are comparing to the West, democrats are far more left wing than much of Europe’s parties (apart from maybe Sweden), most social justice movements originate from the states and these are in-line with the democrats policies.
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Counterexample - Islamic culture is conservative and thriving in the world (20% of all humans are Muslim), with roughly the same beliefs and culture as it's had for the past 1000 years.
> with roughly the same beliefs and culture as it's had for the past 1000 years. I'm not sure this demonstrates a deep understanding of the shifting patterns within Islamic culture.
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The Nazis were socialist only in name. I highly suggest reading at least the first book in Richard J. Evans’s trilogy on ‘The third Reich’ if you want your eyes opened to unbiased historical facts. Referring to names to determine the leaning of a political party or even community groups is never a good idea. Look at their policies and what their people are saying.
Absolutely, look into it. Mixed with their tyrannical racial nationalism, you will also find many socialist ideas; here are some examples from the 25 point plan, their early party platform: > We demand that the State shall above all undertake to ensure that every citizen shall have the possibility of living decently and earning a livelihood. > We demand... that all unearned income, and all income that does not arise…
1. national-socialism seams to have equality as a target. But this equality accounts only for a small group of superior people. In case of Hitler that was the aryan, german race.
2. Those points and the reality are two completetly different things
In fact Nazi-Germany was not socialist but capitalist. Rich people and companies became richer. The only people that were expropriated were jews, political enemies and minoritys. The jews were working as slaves until death to provide wealth for a capitalist upper class. Siemens for example increased their turnover by a factor of 5. Single persons became incredible rich. At the same time, the normal citizens of germany had to live under the worst circumstances because of the war. (You would not believe what my grandma experienced...)
The core idea of national-socialism is inhumane. Who ever was not productive like disabled people, or people with mental illnesses(which includes homosexuals etc.) got killed. The Nazis propagated the rule of the strongest and racism. They propagated social darwinism.
That stands completly against everything the left parties in Germany , even socialism, stands for. The main target is equality and equal oppurtunities for everyone. The main target is a humane society. One of the main points of our left wing, is to fight any form of facism to prevent anything similiar to Hitler from happening ever again.
The right wing partys are the Heirs of the Nazis. They want to exclude minorities and restrict their rights. They propagate racism.
I spent a number of years living in America in the past, and made friends with people across the political spectrum there. And what has always stood out to me is how much hatred and animosity the American right and left have for each other. Talk with someone over beers long enough and they really open up about it, probably because I'm an outsider. As far as political orientation goes, by worldwide standards America a…
"This is not how politics work in the rest of the world." A lot of the debate around Brexit in the UK worked exactly that way - on both sides.
Many high profile Remainers claimed Leavers were/are racist, ignorant, far-right, small minded, hated all foreigners, didn't know what they were voting for, were old and thus should have their vote be ignored, and worse.
Leavers claimed Remainers were ... what? Afraid of independence? That's about the worst of it from what I can remember. There was not by any stretch of the imagination the same kind of smear campaign alleging terrible motives and terrible souls.
And now this. Parler and Gab within a few months of each other. It's not left wing outlets getting hacked and dumped, is it? I'm afraid there's no equivalency here: whether it's the USA or UK, it's always the same: it's always the left attacking the right. They do not view opposition of any sort as legitimate any more and are determined to destroy conservatism by any means possible, both legal and illegal. Nothing like it exists in reverse.
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Isn't it beautiful how the American and western society's rips itself apart? Man vs Women, Woman vs Trans, Gay vs Lesbians, White vs Black..oh sorry i mean People of no Color vs People of Color, Democrats vs Republicans and so on...zero consensus on each side what our society should be. It's like the KGB wins the cold war after all...with a small delay. Yuri Bezmenov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bX3EZCVj2XA https…
White vs Black was something that was ripping the United States apart since the arrival of the first slave on the continent, so I'd have a hard time crediting the KGB for it.
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> I think it is generally understood that Hitler's entrance into the National Socialists marked a deviation from Socialist ideas. No, the 25 point plan was announced by Hitler in 1920, including all of those socialist ideas. And the night of the long knives was in 1934. For over 14 years, socialists like Strasser were an important part of the Nazi party, working side by side with Hitler. Then Hitler consolidated powe…
> No, the 25 point plan was announced by Hitler in 1920, including all of those socialist ideas. I'm not contesting that. Here's what the book I'm reading has to say about the 25 points: > A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for…
I think that's fair, but I would characterize it this way:
The Nazis started out "socialist" in the traditional sense of collective ownership, and ended up "socialist" in the modern sense (popularized by Bernie Sanders) of a strong social safety net.
(That safety net being restricted, of course, to those the Nazis deemed worthy.)
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As a german, I can definitly tell you that Hitler was not left wing. There is no overlap in the political views at all. (Something I can not say about germany's far right.)
In that case, as a German expert here, can you correct leereeves' comment, please? https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26313411
I have to add that "no overlap at all", may not be correct, as those points were shared by different political spectrums in the history. The point is: The core idea, is completly different.
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Parler is basically a direct clone of twitter's basic features. They use different names but have features similar to that of Twitter's tweet/like/retweet. Gab's current iteration is a mastodon fork (although iirc they don't participate in the fediverse via activitypub). Gab is similar to Twitter like Parler but is less of a direct clone, offering other features Twitter doesn't have. Gab has been along for longer and…
> "you can say anything that is not directly illegal in the US without fear of being banned or other moderation". That's not right at all. They both ban adult content and Gab will ban blasphemy. They also frequently remove drug content. They're stricter on banning speech than Twitter and the sites they fled from.