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Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by ksec »

kevindong wrote: post #263
square_usual wrote: post #38

I know it's from Kuo, but these leaks don't pass the smell test for me. It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. It makes even less sense to add more ports which aren't USB-C, as the bits about MagSafe and no dongles imply. Further, I don't understand what is meant by "iPhone 12 like" non-curvy design - I have a 2018 MBP 15", and the s…

Kuo has a remarkable track record of being right, but he's not perfect. Currently he's ~78.2% accurate. https://appletrack.org/ming-chi-kuo/

In his defence I would say that is pretty close to perfect.

His sources isn't some made up contact from within Apple like all those Youtubers, or leaks from China WeiBo and then turn into some news. His sources are from Supply Chain, and if you look at it from that perspective it has been pretty dead accurate.

For Example, most of his Red ( Wrong ) are either Apple Release Date, or Pricing. Both are those are unpredictable by Supply Chain. Apple could change their pricing strategy at any min. But those Release Date and Pricing were derived from possible Production Schedule and Total BOM cost reduction. Both have been insanely accurate.

There are other derived conclusion. Like Longer battery life, which was derived from having lager Battery capacity and better Display energy efficiency, except Apple implemented other features so battery life stays flat.

Things like iPhone having same water resistance, from his point of view none of the water resistance steps had any make over. So no change in water resistance from 2018 were exactly correct. It is just that Apple felt confidence enough the same process could now be advertise with better water resistance capacity. i.e They were too conservative with the iPhone XS water resistance claim.

Not even sure why Pro Display XDR going Mini-LED in 2019 is suggested as wrong either.

Of course there are things he would be wrong. Especially those small volume products. With iPhone you cant really hide, after all there are hundreds of companies working to make sure a product shipping a 100M unit annual volume. Leaks in supply chain are bound to happen.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by ksec »

switz wrote: post #66

If anyone from Apple is reading, let me just say – this is exactly what I want. Magsafe charging. Function keys instead of the touchbar. 15-16" screen. M1 CPU. 32GB Memory. I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker. I'll pay for the kickstarter now if it means it'll come out in the next 18 months. Please make it happen.

>I also prefer the 2015 keyboard, but it's not a dealbreaker.

Well it would be perfect if they could bring that back.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

aaomidi wrote: post #210

The touchbar is such a cool piece of technology. I'm sad to see users didn't embrace it as much as they could've. It created a dynamically adapting interface that just opened up so many more possibilities.

I just wonder if the touch bar was so great, why did they never release it on the wireless magic keyboard? Users have to learn different application-specific workflows depending on whether they're on laptop or display and external keyboard. It's optional to keep the same workflow, but then touchbar becomes a worse version of a keyboard with no added functionality.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by ksec »

turtlebits wrote: post #277
ksec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Magic Keyboard was only introduced in mid 2020. And they are still not as good as MBP 2015 in terms of typing experience. Magic Keyboard Key Travel - 1mm MacBook 2015 Key Travel - 1.3mm Key Spacing as well. They are tiny in Magic Keyboard Layout and it is harder to "sense" the keys apart. >Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Track…

Barring the reliability issues, the butterfly keyboard is my favorite, even over the 2015. That said, they are all good and don’t matter enough to sway what machine to buy.

>the butterfly keyboard is my favorite, even over the 2015. That said, they are all good and don’t matter enough to sway what machine to buy.

That is exactly the problem!

There are people who love the butterfly, they seems to prefer the mushy key typing experience. That is fine, but those same people dont hate scissors either.

But there are enough people hate the butterfly keyboard. To the point of hoarding 2015 MacBook Pro. You dont need any Internet forum to judge, we can judge the market by 2nd hand MacBook Pro pricing. There are demand for good quality 2015 MacBook Pro simply because of the keyboard.

The same goes with Trackpad, some people love larger trackpad, but they wont go mad with a smaller one. And then there are people who have palms that couldn't even use the new MacBook Pro.

Basically both of these are the wrong trade offs and compromise.

And both of these design decisions were all post Steve Jobs' making.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by ksec »

nhoughto wrote: post #54
ksec wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Great to hear a couple iterations ago they restored the keyboard. Magic Keyboard was only introduced in mid 2020. And they are still not as good as MBP 2015 in terms of typing experience. Magic Keyboard Key Travel - 1mm MacBook 2015 Key Travel - 1.3mm Key Spacing as well. They are tiny in Magic Keyboard Layout and it is harder to "sense" the keys apart. >Took them 5 years to go back and restore the old school. Track…

Had 2015, have 2020 (sold a 2019) thought you can’t beat a 2015 but I like the 2020 better actually! 2015 feels spongey in comparison.

> spongey

That is exactly what I like about it. Typing Feedback!

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by colomon »

ericsoderstrom wrote: post #358
ravenstine wrote: post #216

I'll believe it when I see it. I could believe them getting rid of the touchbar, but bringing back magsafe? I'm sticking with my 2015 MacBook until it's irreparable, and I do like the magsafe port, but is there really any point in going back after moving to USB-C? I think I just like magsafe because it's cool more than that it actually has some sort of superiority over USB-C. I've tripped over the USB-C cable to my w…

The USB C connection on my laptop loosened over time. To the point that the cable now just falls out unless I keep the laptop completely still. Having a magnet in there to keep the cable in place would be nice. No reason you couldn't use a magnet with a USB-C connection though, best of both worlds and whatnot

Huh, that happened to my Galaxy S9 phone, but I haven't noticed issues with my MBP. Geez, something else to worry about...

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by thebigspacefuck »

biztos wrote: post #370
fumar wrote: post #317

I am typing this on the M1 Air. I had the Pro with a Touch Bar before. I don't miss the Touch Bar per se, but I did like the ability to customize it for my liking. I also liked scrubbing on video or music software. The escape key is back on all MacBooks now including Touch Bar. I guess I am still on the fence about the Touch Bar and its usability. I think apple envisioned more developer adoption and novelty.

I really wanted to like the Touch Bar for scrubbing, but then I hooked up the external monitor and the Bluetooth magic keyboard and... To this day I can not figure out why Apple doesn’t sell an external Touch Bar of some kind, for use by the actual professional video editors out there.

Have you tried a trackball?

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by coldtea »

ravenstine wrote: post #216

I'll believe it when I see it. I could believe them getting rid of the touchbar, but bringing back magsafe? I'm sticking with my 2015 MacBook until it's irreparable, and I do like the magsafe port, but is there really any point in going back after moving to USB-C? I think I just like magsafe because it's cool more than that it actually has some sort of superiority over USB-C. I've tripped over the USB-C cable to my w…

>I'll believe it when I see it. I could believe them getting rid of the touchbar, but bringing back magsafe?

They already brought it back in the sense of reusing the trademark for their snap-on charging.

They might want to expand on the use of the name, plus it's removal has often been lamented by users and in reviews.

The new magsafe might even be similar to the iPhone/iPad tech (e.g. one can imagine it snap to the back of the screen).

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by coldtea »

wlesieutre wrote: post #354
ardy42 wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> My favorite part of my touchbar MBP is that it uses USB-C charging. MagSafe is neat, but I don't miss the $80 proprietary charger with a cable that's fixed to the brick and will probably fail if you do anything other than leave it sitting at a desk. Magsafe is more than neat, it pretty much solved the major annoyance with laptop power cables (e.g. someone trips on cable, and laptop gets jerked around, eventually da…

Here's an alternate solution to that problem: build a laptop with 20 hours of battery so that people aren't sitting on the couch with their laptop on the coffee table and a power cord dangling across the living room floor. I don't have an M1 machine, but the impression I get from people is that "Plug it in overnight at your desk and literally don't worry about its battery running out" is a reasonable thing to do now.

>Here's an alternate solution to that problem: build a laptop with 20 hours of battery so that people aren't sitting on the couch with their laptop on the coffee table and a power cord dangling across the living room floor.

That's a non-solution, since a large majority of the people will use the laptop on their office desk/home desktop, and prefer to have it plugged in while so.

Re: New MacBook Pro models to feature magsafe, no touch bar and more ports: analyst

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Post by Tade0 »

gurkendoktor wrote: post #174
Tade0 wrote: post #167

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It makes no sense for them to add the touchbar to the base model 13" MBPs only to remove them from the higher end versions. Perhaps the idea is that those who buy the base model - regular consumers - like the touchbar, and those who buy the higher-end versions, that is, professionals - don't. I'm sure some pricing specialist figured that out. Say what you want about Apple, but their sales department knows how to sq…

But then why add the TouchBar to the MBP and not the MacBook Air instead? I actually think that the TouchBar would be more popular if it was a consumer thing instead of a "Pro" differentiator. I can't be the only professional who ordered a cheaper M1 MacBook Air specifically because I want to avoid the TouchBar. If the pricing specialist is playing 4D chess then I don't get it.

I would like to know as well, but whatever they're doing it's working.
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