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Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tekstar »

All the claims about the big tech censoring Parler got it wrong. It's not about censure. It's about legality, and Parler fucked themselves.

Apple told Parler to moderate their extremist content, and Parler refused. At that point, if Apple left Parler on the App Store, Apple would be complicit. Same story played out for all the services.

And guess what, treason by definition is infectious. Giving aid to an enemy of the United States. So Apple at that point would be opening themselves to a huge legal liability if they kept the app available. Nothing has been proven in court but big tech is naturally risk adverse.

If Parler has agreed to moderate extreme content, even if they had done so dragging their feet, they would still be alive.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by hylaride »

_bpkv wrote: post #292
dieortin wrote: post #120

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you’re referring to world war 2, axis engineers were in no way “mediocre”.

Systems can be complicated and even the smallest detail can be dangerously revealing to a scrutinizing eye. "Allied intelligence noticed each captured tank had a unique serial number. With careful observation, the Allies were able to determine the serial numbers had a pattern denoting the order of tank production. Using this data, the Allies created a mathematical model to determine the rate of German tank production…

Indeed. If you look at any report/book/etc about the strategic production of war goods in WW2, you'll quickly realize that the Germans over-engineered most of their equipment. This resulted in fewer weapons and more maintenance for said weapons. The famous Tiger II tank (and most of their other planes/tanks) took longer to make, required more maintenance, consumed more fuel (a precious commodity for Germany at the time), and required more one-off spare parts (even the tracks were designed for one specific side of the tank). On top of this, Germany had more tank models than the rest of the allies combined. The allied tanks were simpler and could be mass-produced at insane quantities, parts were interchangeable, and could more easily be taken from disabled machines.

The Russians even went further, specifically engineering their tanks to only pass QA to last a very short amount of time (as little as a few dozen KM of use) during the first half of their involvement in the war because they'd be destroyed before then on average anyways.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by evgen »

nilkn wrote: post #356
jacquesm wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would they? Because he did nothing? Or because he was 'present'? Accounts that monitor something are not going to run with the crowd in their act. See also: the historian who documented a lot of the mayhem on the 6th from inside the crowd.

Because they're not going to investigate all 4+ million Parler accounts to distinguish between those involved and those not. Many folks here are just assuming everyone on Parler was a terrorist or complicit in what happened. The poster's name and phone number are now lumped in with everyone else's. All we can hope is they made the effort to use fake information.

No one will be judged for having an account, because a lot of people were signed up just to monitor and watch. It is trivial to claim that you only signed up for that reason and to expect the claim to stick. If you happened to be frequently posting the chronicles of the elders of zion or talking about how you wanted to pursue an ammo box solution to a ballot box loss then you are going to have a lot more explaining to do.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by foolfoolz »

dvlsg wrote: post #353
foolfoolz wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

reddit is the same thing. not all of 4chan is bad. not all of reddit is bad. but there is bad on both. it has nothing to do with the website it’s the format

The difference is that reddit at least tries to moderate calls to violence and hate speech. They don't always do a good job of it, though.

4chan is moderated

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by whimsicalism »

liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon.

It both:

a. pays popular users

b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0]

[0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by tw04 »

boredumb wrote: post #40
stuckindider wrote: post #30

Where are the comments about how awful it is for people's private messages to be leaked? Or is this okay because the media told me these guys are the bad guys.

Just call everyone a terrorist and absolve your soul of any uneasiness you have with this. Surely this hyperbole hasn't been used in recent history to push authoritarian and unethical measures by state and private actors paving a golden road to hell.

The amount of victimization through projection currently taking place is kind of shocking. I don't know of a single person that has been called a Terrorist for anything other than calling for violence against others. Why self-proclaimed "peaceful" conservatives continue to lump themselves in with white-supremacists and domestic terrorists is beyond me.

You can pretend that people are being persecuted for being a Republican but 30 seconds of fact checking will disprove that. In fact the only ones calling for violence against Republicans are those very same white supremacists and domestic terrorists because it seems that anyone that doesn't align with Donald Trump is somehow not a conservative. Mike Pence isn't a Republican? Really? I can't think of a politician much further right, and somehow he's no longer acceptable.

If your political belief system is "whatever Trump thinks this week" then maybe it's time to re-evaluate what you really stand for.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by _ea1k »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #330
_bpkv wrote: post #292

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Systems can be complicated and even the smallest detail can be dangerously revealing to a scrutinizing eye. "Allied intelligence noticed each captured tank had a unique serial number. With careful observation, the Allies were able to determine the serial numbers had a pattern denoting the order of tank production. Using this data, the Allies created a mathematical model to determine the rate of German tank production…

Nice, I hadn't heard that one. I did hear that they always ended encoded messages with "heil hitler", giving the decoders a solid lead and verification that the key used was correct. On that note, using UUIDs would be more 'secure' than auto incremented numbers, wouldn't it? I don't like how much space they take up in my URLs though.

> On that note, using UUIDs would be more 'secure' than auto incremented numbers, wouldn't it? I don't like how much space they take up in my URLs though.

Or just assign them in blocks that are out of order. Any intelligence gained from the leakage of such blocks would be misleading. Misleading is often even better than non-existent.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by bzb6 »

whimsicalism wrote: post #435
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

That’s true but Instagram doesn’t claim to be a free speech platform

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by throwaway4good »

judge2020 wrote: post #335
throwaway4good wrote: post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me be clear; nothing there that you could not find by just browsing Parler. Maybe there is a deleted post somewhere and that could be interesting but since it is not marked and there a millions of URLs it is kind of useless.

Story is that Parler didn't delete the media associated with posts once they were deleted, so while you lost access to the post's text, the video files using incremental names (eg. 1.mp4, 2.mp4 etc) meant you could download videos from posts that might be deleted.

I think the "story" here might be a bit of hyperbole as what is going on here is just an archiving of the public contents of Parler similar to what happens all the time with Twitter.

Re: 70TB of Parler users’ messages, videos, and posts leaked by security researchers

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Post by vegcel »

whimsicalism wrote: post #435
liminal wrote: post #420

I see a number of people here describing Parler as "unmoderated", but it turns out they do have extensive moderation [1] that they use to ensure ideological conformity in their posts. Then the most active users were paid for their content too [2]. This really makes it more of a propaganda weapon than a free speech platform. [1] https://twitter.com/donk_enby/status/1347939939120533506 [2] https://twitter.com/donk_enby…

By that standard, Instagram is a propaganda weapon. It both: a. pays popular users b. Puts warnings on political issues, like statements that Biden's crime bill contributed to mass incarceration [0] [0] https://twitter.com/ben_awareness/status/1339293381625864195

Yes
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