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WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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"As part of the Facebook family of companies, WhatsApp receives information from, and shares information with, this family of companies. We may use the information we receive from them, and they may use the information we share with them, to help operate, provide, improve, understand, customize, support, and market our Services and their offerings. This includes helping improve infrastructure and delivery systems, un…

huh? it's listed: "and showing relevant offers and ads"

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I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

Telegram is fantastic! Frankly I think it has a better ux then Whatsapp, especially considering the desktop apps.

Telegram isn't serious about privacy. They made my number searchable and notified people who have me in their Google contact list even though I didn't grant Telegram access to my contact list (before the time when Android would enforce this with permissions) and didn't allow them to use my number for anything.

Then it turned out that they have a setting where one can opt out, but what good is that if you already were opted in automatically.

In "Last Seen & Online" I had a deleted account in the exceptions of those who can always see my status, even though I never added one.

Telegram may be better than WhatsApp, but it is far from fantastic.

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My friends & relatives in India are outright offended when I say that I don't use WhatsApp and so I cannot join their groups.

Businesses here have started using WhatsApp as an alternative to SMS, email for sending spam to important package tracking information (without prior permission).

But I see this as the best opportunity to convert some of my contacts to Signal/Email as this stays in mainstream news for a while(but quite sure that almost all of them have clicked 'Agree' to T&C banner showed on WhatsApp when they woke up morning without giving it a thought and I'm certain that's exactly what FB intended).

I do not know whether to feel fear, sadness or shame on the type of power WhatsApp/Facebook holds only my people.

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I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

I contact the majority of my friends with telegram, the UX is similar enough and people get on board quite quickly- the difficult part is convincing someone to install /another/ messaging app- if they have network effects too then it's a hard sell. But once most people have both it gets easier. Signal (UX wise) is not really super great for my family, I burned a lot of my "technical expert advisor" capital and reputa…

It will be a hard sell for me to switch, that's for sure. I am already using Whatsapp for Western contacts, Kakaotalk for Korean contacts, and WeChat for China contacts. I don't have any Japan contacts currently, or else I'm sure I will have to install Line. I installed Signal on my laptop for one heavy-privacy-proponent friend, and had Telegram for a while for another friend's group business chat, but I never really used either.

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post #407

"As part of the Facebook family of companies, WhatsApp receives information from, and shares information with, this family of companies. We may use the information we receive from them, and they may use the information we share with them, to help operate, provide, improve, understand, customize, support, and market our Services and their offerings. This includes helping improve infrastructure and delivery systems, un…

huh? it's listed: "and showing relevant offers and ads"

Sure but the fate of WhatsApp messages is unclear for me just by reading this excerpt. Do they use them for ads?

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The part that creeps me out the most is WhatsApp’s aggressiveness towards getting your Contacts. Other apps want them but WhatsApp hardly works without the permission.

Why hasn’t Apple introduced a private/segmented Contacts permission like they have Photos, Location, etc.?

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post #407

"As part of the Facebook family of companies, WhatsApp receives information from, and shares information with, this family of companies. We may use the information we receive from them, and they may use the information we share with them, to help operate, provide, improve, understand, customize, support, and market our Services and their offerings. This includes helping improve infrastructure and delivery systems, un…

huh? it's listed: "and showing relevant offers and ads"

Oh, you're right. It took quite a bit of digging around to get to this part, and I seem to have accidentally copied the part I was looking for, though I searched for "advertisements".

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> [The spokeswoman] said there will be no change in how WhatsApp shares provides data with Facebook for non-business chats and account data. That sounds a lot less alarming, in the third to last paragraph, than the headline or first few paragraphs? Don't get me wrong, I ditched Facebook years ago, and wouldn't use WhatsApp but for family and a pre-Corona club I wouldn't have (much at all) contact with otherwise. That…

WeChat banned me for an hour for violating the ToS, and it wasn't clear what I violated. I use LineageOS for privacy reasons, and intercept various things I consider to be privacy violations. I very much disagree with these ways of operating, for systems that monopolize human-to-human communication. We live in a bunch of walled garden communication apps, people don't use any open systems like e-mail and phone anymore…

You're using quite literally a spy app that does continuous root and tampering/safetynet/etc checking.

Re: WhatsApp gives users an ultimatum: Share data with Facebook or stop using app

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I'd love to give up WhatsApp, but network effects are key here. I tried moving my extended family off WhatsApp onto Signal a couple of years ago and it failed miserably because the app wasn't nearly as easy to use, and they had all their friends on Whatsapp. Has anyone here had any success moving a large group of people onto something like Signal or Telegram? If so, do you have any tips?

I contact the majority of my friends with telegram, the UX is similar enough and people get on board quite quickly- the difficult part is convincing someone to install /another/ messaging app- if they have network effects too then it's a hard sell. But once most people have both it gets easier. Signal (UX wise) is not really super great for my family, I burned a lot of my "technical expert advisor" capital and reputa…

Another bonus of telegram (as compared to WhatsApp) is you can access the messages even when your phone run out of battery.
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