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Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by eschaton »

pjc50 wrote: post #407
thegrim33 wrote: post #361

Earlier quoted context omitted.

These are pretty outrageous claims you're making, and you'll notice that the people making such claims never have evidence to back it up. Your viewpoints are grounded in thousands of other people in the same echo chamber as you repeating the same claims as a cultural weapon to gain political power, but there's never anything backing it up. I don't care how many people you've convinced to hold these beliefs, it doesn'…

> You can link to videos alleging "police brutality" but none of them that I've ever been linked to show such a thing You've never seen the Rodney King video?

Or the George Floyd video? Or the Eric Garner video? Or read about Breonna Taylor?

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Post by AshWolfy »

tristor wrote: post #190
user764743 wrote: post #144

Reading the comments in this thread and I am amazed at the sudden pro-authoritarian shift seen on HN lately, what's going on?

I don't see a pro-authoritarian bent in the comments in this thread. What I see a lot of is people pointing out that the definition of "journalist" is very very loose in 2020, and that has an effect on the arrest stats. Many many many people have watched with their own eyes, live on video, what's been going on through the course of this year. We've seen CNN and ABC reporters shot with rubber bullets and accosted on l…

> we've also seen a lot of "journalists" throwing rocks and molotov cocktails on live stream and doing other criminal acts

Ive watched a lot of livestreams of the protest and never once saw a livestreamer throw a rock or molotov cocktail

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by AshWolfy »

abacadaba wrote: post #307
bjourne wrote: post #229

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but we've also seen a lot of "journalists" throwing rocks and molotov cocktails on live stream and doing other criminal acts. I'd like to see some evidence of that happening on scale. If there is no such evidence, I think, perhaps, your comment proves the parent's point.

https://twitter.com/MrAndyNgo he has hundreds(?) of examples if you scroll, but to save some time here's one from portland police https://twitter.com/PortlandPolice/status/128725192442150502... Edit: ok searching "press" on the feed maybe like more like tens rather than hundreds with actual video evidence, but im sure i missed some

Andy Ngo is known to use selective editing and openly lies about facts, and is not a valid source on anything\

A single instance of a protestor who falsely claimed to be press, and did not commit any crimes does not prove that people who claim to be journalists are throwing rocks or molotov cocktails.

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Post by urnotcool »

dang wrote: post #266
user764743 wrote: post #144

Reading the comments in this thread and I am amazed at the sudden pro-authoritarian shift seen on HN lately, what's going on?

This is the contrarian dynamic: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor... . Internet comments get provoked by seeing something one objects to. When the thread is new, the only things to object to are the article and the title, so comments come from people objecting to those. Such posts tend to be reflexive and shallow because those are the fastest reactions to feel and the quickest to write. Mos…

Reddit couldn't be a better example of the fact that culture is absolutely set by moderation policies. But whatever you say, dang.

This is a throwaway because I've deleted the passwords to my past 5-digit karma accounts because of my disgust with the commentor's of this site's obsession with freeze peach and their prepondency for posting misinformation.

Has anyone gone back and looked at Corona threads from earlier this year? Remember when HN was telling everyone that there was absolutely no societal harm posed by anti-science folks pushing anti-vaxx and flat-earth theories?

Meanwhile I know that numerous others like me have lost all interest in participating and have left. Because this is what happens when comment sections aren't moderated properly.

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Post by AshWolfy »

mucholove wrote: post #423
pessimizer wrote: post #401

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> I don't see a pro-authoritarian bent in the comments in this thread. What I see a lot of is people pointing out that the definition of "journalist" is very very loose in 2020, and that has an effect on the arrest stats. This itself is an authoritarian tendency that is increasingly alarming me lately (a feeling that started after 9/11.) I think we're going to see "journalist" becoming a licensed profession within th…

Citizens United is a great case to read in this context. Only approved organizations could publish on the election after a certain date. We are soaking the propaganda and we don’t know it.

BRCA which citizens united partially struck down had no approved organization list, and no ban on publishing

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Post by amatecha »

jimmygrapes wrote: post #302
dgritsko wrote: post #122

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So here's the dilemma I'm faced with. As someone who wishes to consume news that is as factual as reasonably possible, while also being aware that at least some bias is inevitable (no matter how well-intentioned the author may be)... how does one evaluate a news source for its trustworthiness, short of physically observing an event for yourself?

Others have given great responses, but one thing not emphasized enough is recognizing the type of language used. It failed for various reasons, but The Knife used to do a textual analysis of articles and point out the manipulative language used. A quick example off the top of my head is recent reporting on the US election (all paraphrased, but I bet you can find real examples easily): "... baseless claims" "... witho…

I just wanted to chime in and say how unbelievably refreshing it is to see someone acknowledge this out loud. It seems like people typically ingest "news media" without much critical thought and repeat news headlines with total ignorance of the subjective or manipulative slant that the news outlet applies to the material. I imagine a lot of the manipulative wording is not even intentional, either, but I'm not sure that makes this any better. :\

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Post by AshWolfy »

suifbwish wrote: post #345
user764743 wrote: post #144

Reading the comments in this thread and I am amazed at the sudden pro-authoritarian shift seen on HN lately, what's going on?

Pretty simple. Most of us have jobs, follow the law and do not recommend others break it either.

first they came for the socialists

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

manfredo wrote: post #205
boopmaster wrote: post #128

This is because Black Lives Matter™, and because black lives matter. This isn’t a hyper escalation against freedom of the press, per se, it’s an escalation of police on citizen violence that came about when police felt threatened when folks got a little extra vocal about how the racist cops boys club has little to no accountability when harming citizens they’re supposed to protect. I think this narrowly focuses on tr…

There's a strong argument to be made for police accountability and conduct. But this post seems to complete ignore the actions of demonstrators and the journalists (often self-proclaimed and self-employed) embedded within them. Look at the disparity between Portland and Minneapolis with respect to the rest of the country: New York has 20 times the population yet only half the journalist arrests. Portland has the same…

Same thing in Portland. These are anarchist criminals who should not be tolerated, not protesters. And fake press creds are a running joke.

At 11:30p.m., some individuals lit two fires on the north side of the building, including the awning over the main entrance. Again, warnings were issued via loudspeaker that the incident was a riot and that all persons must leave immediately to the south and east, and if they did not they were subject to arrest, citation, and the use of crowd control munitions including, but not limited to, tear gas and impact weapons. Officers had to quickly move in to put out the fires before they could spread. More arrests were made. During at least one arrest, officers had a crowd surround them and hit them with umbrellas and other objects. They were able to pull an arrested individual away.

As officers tried to disengage again, people with "press" printed on their outer clothing were seen throwing rocks at them. A rock struck the windshield of their transport vehicle, cracking the glass (photo).

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

outworlder wrote: post #220
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #186

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Why would you assume that cops are racist? Especially when a lot of them are black themselves?

Because we have looked at the statistics.

Evidently you either have not, or you have made some fairly basic errors in interpreting the data.

Re: Record Breaking Number of Journalists Arrested in the U.S. This Year

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Post by lawnchair_larry »

saagarjha wrote: post #214
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #186

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why would you assume that cops are racist? Especially when a lot of them are black themselves?

This comment is much more inflammatory than it needs to be.

What do you mean? Parent comment was inflammatory by slandering anyone who works in an entire profession with no basis. Asking him why is not inflammatory.
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