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Post by rmtech »

The core problem is that the companies that make these things are not being controlled by good regulation.

200 years ago it was probably legal for a food company to put a bit of cocaine in the food to make it more addictive. Nowadays I think you would go to jail for that.

Similarly, if we ever make it to the year 2220, the act of making a product that forces users to view certain content or that spies on users will be something you go to jail for, not something that gets you a promotion.

All the technical fixes that people are proposing (disconnect internet, pi hole, etc) are bandaid solutions and eventually the companies will bother to break those fixes. The company is a million times more powerful than any given individual and individuals are uncoordinated, so absent regulation the individuals will maximally lose the game - Black-Mirror-esque

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Post by gst »

hawski wrote: post #409
aembleton wrote: post #388

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What's a beamer? I thought you were talking about a BMW at first.

Another word for a projector.

The word "Beamer" is a German word that isn't really used (in that context) in any other language. Same as with "Handy" for smartphones.

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Post by BLKNSLVR »

petargyurov wrote: post #303

TVs have gone completely the opposite direction of what I dreamed of. On top of all these ads and snooping, there are so few TVs with a smooth, responsive UI. Seriously, even in top brands the UI chugs along at a snail's pace. And most of the time the UI design itself is terrible. Who cares about 8K if the UI takes 8 seconds to load.

My "smart" TV takes a good seven or eight seconds to recognise that I'm madly trying to turn the volume down after turning the TV on because the last thing the kids watched was so quiet they had to turn the volume way up.

Volume controls used to be instantaneous. Why the degradation of user experience alongside incredible progress in technology?

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Post by mercora »

Unklejoe wrote: post #384
mercora wrote: post #137

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AFAICT this works over the same pin that could carry ARC which is arguably more useful to most people and usually available at least on one port. However, devices could also communicate via DDC or CEC too although rather low bandwidth is available it could be enough for some telemetry. Its probably possible to do this via HDMI info frames too somehow... or via direct wireless connections between these devices or infr…

> Its probably possible to do this via HDMI info frames too somehow These only flow in one direction though - from the source to the sink

true, haven't thought this through apparently ^^

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Post by gmadsen »

tangjurine wrote: post #167
avian wrote: post #122

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In some stupid meeting somewhere: A: ...and in conclusion, it's a win-win situation. Users will benefit from ads and our revenue will go up. B: People don't like ads on their TV. A: But they do. I refer you to slides 18 through 25 where you can see engagement metrics for our ad rollout on the old model. If people wouldn't like ads they wouldn't be clicking on them so much . B: I don't like ads. Do you like ads on you…

We're in the middle of transitioning from making decisions based on pure intuition to being purely logical and data-driven... I wonder if that's such a good idea. There was this article a while back I read that talked about how native peoples made poisonous foods edible. Some processes were extremely convoluted and unreasonable, but it worked, and efforts by a "reasonable" man to make the process more efficient would…

in what world is removing poison to an acceptable level unreasonable? If the process is complicated and convoluted, but people don't die, then that seems reasonable to me.

I don't really follow this line of thinking.

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Post by cheschire »

Cthulhu_ wrote: post #253
cheschire wrote: post #135

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You may be able to connect it to your router but then use your router's parental control features to block the net for that reserved IP.

Then it'll just complain that it's not connected to the internet, wouldn't it?

Depends. Some devices just want an IP.

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Post by RandomBacon »

belorn wrote: post #74
izacus wrote: post #42

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> Never buy a consumer product that expects an Internet connection. This is a nice trite trope, but getting an affordable TV without these features might be nearly impossible for most people these days.

Just looked at a price checking site, checking the oled and "no smart tv" boxes. Zero hits. It is not a question about affordable TV. The only ones that does not have smart features (as far as I can identify) are the cheapest LCD ones at the bottom of the price list. The best alternatives that I can find is projectors or monitors, as those seems to so far not expect an Internet connection.

Did they include Sceptre TVs? They make dumb 4K TVs.

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Post by RandomBacon »

save_ferris wrote: post #362
bleepblorp wrote: post #3

Just as the 's' in 'IoT' stands for 'security', the 'f' in 'IoT' stands for 'fairness to users.' Never buy a consumer product that expects an Internet connection.

It's impossible to find a new TV these days that doesn't have an internet connection out of the box.

Sceptre 4K dumb TVs
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