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Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by burfog » Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 8:17 AM UTC

scarface74 wrote: post #430

burfog wrote: post #428

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm nearly the opposite of “woke” but I try to be nice, and that wording reminded me of this awful Biden quote: “poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids” As a general rule, yes, poor people don't care about education. That's typically a contributing factor to being poor. Exceptions are common. Poor areas and poor families have a sort of cultural rot. Some have given up. Some see other things,…

Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer. You did see the article I posted where Ving Rhames had five cops show up to his house pointing guns at him because they thought he was breaking into his own home? Should he have been wearing a suit in his own home? No “acting White” doesn…

My son is actually paranoid of cops when he goes to play basketball. But anyway, life isn't fair, and if you're having a problem then there are things you can do to improve perception. The lawyer look/mannerisms get you out of the "might be lower class" bucket, which is where the fear and hostility comes from. Although I admit that being white can help avoid that bucket, any white person can put themselves into the "might be lower class" bucket with awful grooming choices. Facial tattoos will do it, a slurred voice will do it, etc.

The kind of people who become teachers are generally not the kind of people who become cops. The education is radically different. So that is a different starting point and a different path to the career. The teaching degree is nearly 100% “woke” garbage, none of it practical in the classroom. Some, for example the methods for reading instruction, has even been proven to be actively harmful.

Educational funding has nearly nothing to do with educational success. The per-child budget for the DC schools should make this very clear. Culture is nearly everything. Some cultures are toxic.

Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by scarface74 » Wed, Aug 26, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

burfog wrote: post #431

scarface74 wrote: post #430

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Life isn't fair, so some hints for your son: wear a nice suit, speak crisp standard English, and keep the grooming strictly traditional. Basically, adopt the mannerisms of a lawyer. You did see the article I posted where Ving Rhames had five cops show up to his house pointing guns at him because they thought he was breaking into his own home? Should he have been wearing a suit in his own home? No “acting White” doesn…

My son is actually paranoid of cops when he goes to play basketball. But anyway, life isn't fair, and if you're having a problem then there are things you can do to improve perception. The lawyer look/mannerisms get you out of the "might be lower class" bucket, which is where the fear and hostility comes from. Although I admit that being white can help avoid that bucket, any white person can put themselves into the "…

The lawyer look/mannerisms get you out of the "might be lower class" bucket, which is where the fear and hostility comes from.

So should Ving Rhames had “the lawyer look” in his own home? Would that have stopped five cops from coming to his house? If the Black guy sitting in his own home who got shot by the cop because she thought she was entering her house not have been shot if had gone to sleep in a suit not been killed?

Do you also tell your female relatives if they dress appropriately they won’t be raped?

Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by JohnBooty » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 3:38 AM UTC

burfog wrote: post #421

JohnBooty wrote: post #420

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Do you think there are no black cops abusing their power, or that there are no white victims? I do not think that. Additionally, literally nobody is claiming that. Anywhere.

Not exactly, but pretty close: "it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims" You got that distorted perspective from the media bias. It's just not that way. Some statistics even point the other way.

    So, it's very telling when (nearly always white) 
    officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics 
    on (nearly always Black) victims.

I could have been clearer about the context of my statement: I was referring to the police shootings that have made national headlines. My bad.

Nonetheless, while the overall reality of police killings in America is less dramatic than "nearly always", but it worrisomely lopsided. Black Americans are killed by police at a per-capita rate of roughly 2:1 compared to white Americans.

https://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2020-06-03/data-show-de...

That is... not good. How do you explain that?

Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by notacoward » Fri, Aug 28, 2020, 8:19 PM UTC

john_moscow wrote: post #232

notassigned wrote: post #197

I don't think it's helpful to assume the police were racist.

I've googled up the bodycam videos of the incident [0]. I think, the police started acting the way they did, because the suspect didn't stop when the police clearly asked him to do so, and pushed one of the officers when they grabbed him. It would be fair to call it racism, if there was another instance of a white suspect acting the same way, and getting treated differently. [0] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Ncye…

> It would be fair to call it racism, if there was another instance of a white suspect acting the same way, and getting treated differently.

That comment really didn't age well, did it? I think just about anyone can see what happened with Kyle Rittenhouse and recognize that racism was a factor in the disparate treatment.

Re: Ketamine that's injected during arrests draws new scrutiny

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Post by burfog » Sat, Aug 29, 2020, 12:56 AM UTC

JohnBooty wrote: post #433

burfog wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not exactly, but pretty close: "it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims" You got that distorted perspective from the media bias. It's just not that way. Some statistics even point the other way.

So, it's very telling when (nearly always white) officers leap to unnecessarily violent tactics on (nearly always Black) victims. I could have been clearer about the context of my statement: I was referring to the police shootings that have made national headlines. My bad. Nonetheless, while the overall reality of police killings in America is less dramatic than "nearly always", but it worrisomely lopsided. Black Ame…

Crime rate is different. There are at least 3 ways to do the statistic:

1. What race has the biggest number being killed by cops? (answer: white)

2. What race has the most per-capita being killed by cops? (answer: black)

3. What race is most likely to be killed by cops if they get in a police confrontation? (answer: white)

The obvious solution for non-equality with #2 is to fix the culture so that conflict with the cops is less likely. Don't do crime. If you are stopped by cops, be fully compliant and don't look like a threat. When stopped by the cops, don't even think of reaching for something they can't see. You just wait, and then you'll be able to sort things out in court.

Eh, we also should fix the non-equality with #3. It shouldn't be more excusable to shoot white people.