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GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by marcus_holmes »

ClikeX wrote: post #300
marcus_holmes wrote: post #141

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Also owned by Microsoft. I mean, I get the "new" Microsoft. And I get that this is mostly a street-cred move by them, and they'll try to not mess it up by interfering with it. But still. That's now. What happens when the next shake-up comes and there's a push by the accountants to make money off everything, that's the important bit. It's like Atlassian taking over Trello. They'll mess it up, it's just a matter of whe…

Just to clarify here. It's only been owned by Microsoft for about a year now. Before that they were their own company. And as far as I know, the source was never OSS to begin with. Microsoft didn't swoop in and lock it down. It was already like that. In case anybody wondered if Github was closed-source because of Microsoft.

yeah, good point

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by theamk »

cushychicken wrote: post #395
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #100

I’ve never considered GitHub to be “fun.” It’s a great tool , though. Most of my GH interaction is through my desktop system, not a browser (pushing and pulling checkouts). I’ve been using some form of source control for nearly 30 years (since Projector, in the 1990s). It’s a tool. A very, very important tool. I appreciate many of the “glossy” features of GH, like hero images and GH Pages, but this shows how “out of…

I’ve never considered GitHub to be “fun.” It’s a great tool, though. Yeah, seeing the headline of this article made me think of how I've never heard a carpenter exclaim what fun it is to use a cordless drill.

Try drilling a bunch of holes using 3v ikea drill with dying batteries.. And then switch to a nice 14v bosh. It ia really a lot if fun!

Re: GitHub isn't fun anymore

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Post by nogabebop23 »

chrisandchips wrote: post #299
lqet wrote: post #288

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Tangential: what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling"? I feel like western society as a whole is thinking more and more in terms of a six year old. For adults, there lies incredible satisfaction in mastering any but the most exploitative professions or jobs and fulfilling them dutifully, even if they are be no means "fun".

TBF, I don't think the author is saying that Github needs to be fun, but rather that it used to be and now isn't. It's lost a nice quality that it had.

no doubt GH wanted to develop their social site aspects to increase engagement and "stickiness" but I don't think they ever succeeded much, so while it's obviosuly different for the author, it's not much of a loss for everyone else.

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Post by paulchap »

neutronicus wrote: post #356
paulchap wrote: post #261

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Your clash with the conventional usage and connotation of these terms was probably intended, but how is browsing repos active consumption (and vice versa)? Isn't creating and collaborating on projects much more active than just looking at interesting stuff?

In grad school I used GitHub as 1. A git-aware Google Drive, where I could stick version-controlled code I wanted to sync between computers and possibly share with colleagues (and also create a paper trail if someone beats me to the bunch publishing something, ha) 2. As a CDN serving open-source projects I depended on, but discovered almost exclusively by other means None of my GitHub-hosted code ever had a README.md…

Ah ok, thanks!

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Post by mistersquid »

ersii wrote: post #399
jeromegv wrote: post #382

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Yes. First you attribute what Japan is to how the US rebuilt it, when in fact this society has thousands of years of history before the US. Sure we can't deny US influence after WW2 and how integrated they are in the global economy, that doesn't make it a westernized country.

Not to be annoying, but can't this be said about most places? Like continental Europe.

Continental Europe is considered, by and large, to be "The West", as is the United States. In this context, the US is a new country but very much representative of the Western world.

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Post by _fat_santa »

frankcaron wrote: post #374

Imo, Github has only been moving further in the right direction lately — and more social features ain't it, chief. The better value proposition lift from giving folks and teams more free private repos was huge, and the increasingly-prominent integration of Github into enterprise tools is facilitating (if not helping to force) the modernization of enterprise dev outside the software industry. I've never been a bigger…

Second this. With GH now letting you create Organizations with private repositories, it's starting to transform how I store core on GH.

All of my "big" projects on GH have more than one repo, usually 2-5 depending on what all work needs to be done. Before GH allowed you to create private repos in orgs for free I had hundreds of repositories and had to name them like projectname-website. Now I create orgs for my biggest projects so all my repos are starting to look more like projectname/website instead.

I'll admit, very small change but helps me keep my Github organized.

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Overall Github has gotten only more and more important in my workflow. I find it amazing that this site went from "cool tool" back in my college years to "I literally cannot live without this tool" now.

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Post by ardy42 »

nogabebop23 wrote: post #430
lqet wrote: post #288

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangential: what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling"? I feel like western society as a whole is thinking more and more in terms of a six year old. For adults, there lies incredible satisfaction in mastering any but the most exploitative professions or jobs and fulfilling them dutifully, even if they are be no means "fun".

I think it's a consequence of gamifying absolutely everything. If you had a online tool I used to quietly manage production at my cardboard box factory and then you went and added leader boards, badges, xp, recognition points and an influencer score, then box manufacturing better be pretty bloody exciting for me from now on. We now have an entire generation of software developers who have never known these tools with…

> If you had a online tool I used to quietly manage production at my cardboard box factory and then you went and added leader boards, badges, xp, recognition points and an influencer score, then box manufacturing better be pretty bloody exciting for me from now on. We now have an entire generation of software developers who have never known these tools without the gamified experience.

Maybe I'm just a little too old, but I've always rolled my eyes at those kinds of features and then ignored them. I find it impossible to imagine anyone actually caring about their badges or XP score on some company intranet wiki.

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Post by baryphonic »

lqet wrote: post #288
ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #100

I’ve never considered GitHub to be “fun.” It’s a great tool , though. Most of my GH interaction is through my desktop system, not a browser (pushing and pulling checkouts). I’ve been using some form of source control for nearly 30 years (since Projector, in the 1990s). It’s a tool. A very, very important tool. I appreciate many of the “glossy” features of GH, like hero images and GH Pages, but this shows how “out of…

Tangential: what is up with this inflationary expectation that everything should be "fun" and "exciting" and "thrilling"? I feel like western society as a whole is thinking more and more in terms of a six year old. For adults, there lies incredible satisfaction in mastering any but the most exploitative professions or jobs and fulfilling them dutifully, even if they are be no means "fun".

I think the prominence of consumption industries like entertainment, media and social media have hooked us on the idea of happiness/meaning as perpetual bliss. I suspect these industries learned it from advertising, an industry which they created and evolved. The schools and religious organizations have tried to follow suit, with only mixed success.

"Fun" is a very poor imitation of "zen" or "peace" (the Christian concept) or "enlightenment" (the Buddhist concept), but has become sort of the sine qua non of secular Western democratic capitalist societies.

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Post by camgunz »

bluntfang wrote: post #367
Zenbit_UX wrote: post #358

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Oh wow, that was hard to read and I only made it through the top 10 comments. Getting brigaded because some people are over sensitive must be a horrible feeling.

I've read that thread a few times and I see the people requesting the change doing so in a calm, reasonable manner. The only non-productive posts I see are from people who are vehemently and acerbically against it.

I agree, practically everyone who's upset in that thread is villifying "SJWs" and "thumb democracy". I get this is a hot topic and people have strong feelings about it, and it's important to consider that the maintainer of this project probably feels personally attacked by this. But this is how discussions happen, respectfully, calmly, with educational links. 15 issue comments isn't "brigading". Asking someone to consider that the name of their project is problematic isn't shaming.

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Post by hombre_fatal »

bendergarcia wrote: post #362
xxs wrote: post #315

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next would be the red-black trees or some utter nonsense.

Can you speak to the historical racism or slavery associated with the name red black trees? I’m genuinely curious as I don’t know the history.

Lynching black people and hanging them from trees where their red blood ran. "Red black tree" reduces that history to a mere three words and should really be changed.

That may sound preposterous, but it's making the same claim as the rest of the moral panic over names in tech.

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