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Post by koheripbal »

luckydata wrote: post #375
hpoe wrote: post #355

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a worse side effect that comes from conservatives feeling that they have been silenced, as people feel like they have less and less say in a political process they are more and more likely to start employing means outside of it. The real risk here is that if more and more outlets for conservative voices are silenced, whether for good cause or not, this will reinforce the narrative that many of them have that…

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> Conservatives in the USA are not a good faith actor

None of them? They are ALL acting bad faith? Is that a good faith argument?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by ceejayoz »

areyousure wrote: post #263
dannyw wrote: post #135

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Twitter should have suspended the account of a repeated rule breaker a long time ago. If I threatened to shoot the president, I would be in jail already, not to mention my twitter account would be suspended.

https://twitter.com/search?q=%22shoot%20trump%22&src=typed_q... https://twitter.com/swoIIens/status/1266247882652278785 https://twitter.com/uwork4me247/status/1265065191311638529 https://twitter.com/SweeetTeeeaaa/status/1263924178048241665 https://youtu.be/E4i3bAtEuJE?t=184

Hit the "report tweet" button, just like people have been doing to Trump's tweets.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by pfkurtz »

jrockway wrote: post #377
partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

I don't think any reasonable person would think that Twitter supports violence simply because they aren't removing posts from people who don't matter. When you have limited resources, you have to apply them in a way that has the most impact. Making sure the President of the United States is adhering to their ToS seems like a good place to start. Remember that Twitter gets something like 500 million tweets per day. If…

This is correct.

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by [deleted] »

koheripbal wrote: post #370
kingnight wrote: post #344

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The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The legal issue is that their legal protection from defamation and libel under section 230 requires them to moderate "in good faith". If they only selective moderate accounts, then that protection may not survive in court. ...but I think a greater concern we can all agree on, is that for the type of communications that Twitter does - Twitter is effectively a monopoly. The people being censored here can't even themsel…

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Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by dmode »

partiallypro wrote: post #333

Twitter is well within the rights to do this, but I have seen tweets from blue check marks essentially calling for violence and Twitter didn't remove them. So, does that mean Twitter actually -supports- those view points now? If Twitter is going to police people, it needs to be across the board. Otherwise it's just a weird censorship that is targeting one person and can easily be seen as political. Everyone is applau…

Twitter has literally bend over backwards for Trump. They have said that they will not remove him not matter how much he violates their ToS. If even after that it is seen as "silencing their voice", you know it is a bad faith argument. Just the other day he retweeted something heinous about "dead Democrats" and Twitter let that tweet stand. At some point, don't you have to live up to some principles instead of always be scared of bad faith arguments ?

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Post by pnako »

QuercusMax wrote: post #382
lykahb wrote: post #351

The neutral companies, such as utilities, online hosting or financial providers serve nearly everyone with little objections - they defer to the law rather than any internal policies. The more selective companies such as newspapers and TV channels are expected to restrict who can get published. By representing itself both as an open platform and as a company with progressive values, Twitter has put itself into an awk…

Fact-checking obvious lies is a "progressive value"? Wow, that really shows how bad things have gotten.

If the lies are obvious, why do they need "fact checking"?

Re: Twitter hides Donald Trump tweet for “glorifying violence”

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Post by koheripbal »

dmode wrote: post #399
jtbayly wrote: post #383

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I'm just going to say again that I can't for the life of me understand why people are in agreement that this tweet glorifies violence. It is a call to stop being violent lest violence increase. Looting always leads to shooting. This is a simple fact. I'm horrified that so many people think me saying that is glorifying violence. I don't understand it in the slightest. Seeing this tweet by Trump get silenced absolutely…

You should read up on the history of the phrase "when looting starts, shooting starts"

I read up on it's use in 1967. ...and it didn't really add anything. Looting leads to police/national guard having to restore order through violence.

There's no hidden meaning here.

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Post by gnopgnip »

koheripbal wrote: post #370
kingnight wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The valley being an echo chamber doesn’t necessarily mean those implementing this have their heads in the sand. It can’t be all perfectly achieved, but to do nothing, as they were before, could be now determined to be a worse case than providing these annotations to flagrant misuse by the highest impact profile that they can’t do away with entirely.

The legal issue is that their legal protection from defamation and libel under section 230 requires them to moderate "in good faith". If they only selective moderate accounts, then that protection may not survive in court. ...but I think a greater concern we can all agree on, is that for the type of communications that Twitter does - Twitter is effectively a monopoly. The people being censored here can't even themsel…

There is no requirement under section 230 to moderate content in good faith. Selective moderation does not affect their liability. This law was passed democratically, for exactly this purpose.

>"No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider." This federal law preempts any state laws to the contrary: "[n]o cause of action may be brought and no liability may be imposed under any State or local law that is inconsistent with this section."

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