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Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #416

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Are you really surprised? I think you'd be very hard pressed to find people willing to turn down free money. It's not like are lying to gov't to get it. They qualify, so why not take it.

Don't you have to claim that you are negatively affected by COVID to get it? But I guess arguably everyone can claim that to some degree.

No. I got my money in my account yesterday, about an hour after my employeer direct-deposited my paycheck.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #416

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Are you really surprised? I think you'd be very hard pressed to find people willing to turn down free money. It's not like are lying to gov't to get it. They qualify, so why not take it.

Don't you have to claim that you are negatively affected by COVID to get it? But I guess arguably everyone can claim that to some degree.

Looks like there are different programs, but for the payroll loans, I don't see anything like that in the criteria.[1]

[1]https://www.sba.gov/funding-programs/loans/coronavirus-relie...

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.120831/page/n6... As you can see on that page, here is a definition of the word rape: 1. trans. to take (a thing) by force. In my usage, I was using it as the state government of CA, taking (part of) my severance by force. I don't see any issue with the usage.

> I don't see any issue with the usage. You refuse to see any issue with the usage.

You are being quite niggardly in your interpretation of my comment. The guidelines state:

"Please respond to the strongest plausible interpretation of what someone says, not a weaker one that's easier to criticize. Assume good faith."

You oughtn't to be a niggard when interpreting comments. Otherwise you might see something that isn't there.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #388

Not naming the company, but I know of a startup that's got a round of $10M (not much but enough) who just applied for relief because their burn rate is $200K+ a month. They have no customers, have been in the red for 2 years and have been slowly building their product out -- like most early funded startups -- they are building potential without revenue (yet). Their theory is, get some free money and treat it like 6 m…

This is the government's fault for not attaching more strings to the money. It should have been a loan at favourable interest rates with a fixed term.

Just a thought: when the government starts giving out lots of money with strings attached, you get a lot more jobs doing administrative compliance tasks. I'm thinking of, for instance, universities and the growing numbers of administrators who exist to chase funding. More strings attached means money will go towards meeting all requirements. Maybe this isn't strictly bad, but it might be less efficient than just letting some undeserving companies get away with extra cash. I'd rather startups consist of employees focused on building their product than focused on qualifying for government grants.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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You should not use that term in that manner.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.120831/page/n6... As you can see on that page, here is a definition of the word rape: 1. trans. to take (a thing) by force. In my usage, I was using it as the state government of CA, taking (part of) my severance by force. I don't see any issue with the usage.

by force, meaning you were threatened physically? or is this more like you choosing to ignore the tax law of the state you choose to live in?

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#436

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You should not use that term in that manner.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.120831/page/n6... As you can see on that page, here is a definition of the word rape: 1. trans. to take (a thing) by force. In my usage, I was using it as the state government of CA, taking (part of) my severance by force. I don't see any issue with the usage.

I see an issue. You said Ca “raped” _you_, not your money. You meant it in a metaphorical sexual sense and now you’re rationalizing your insensitivity.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

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post #388

Not naming the company, but I know of a startup that's got a round of $10M (not much but enough) who just applied for relief because their burn rate is $200K+ a month. They have no customers, have been in the red for 2 years and have been slowly building their product out -- like most early funded startups -- they are building potential without revenue (yet). Their theory is, get some free money and treat it like 6 m…

This is happening times a million everywhere. I find it quite upsetting as well. We are rewarding those who don't need it while neglecting those who do.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#438

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You should not use that term in that manner.

https://archive.org/details/in.ernet.dli.2015.120831/page/n6... As you can see on that page, here is a definition of the word rape: 1. trans. to take (a thing) by force. In my usage, I was using it as the state government of CA, taking (part of) my severance by force. I don't see any issue with the usage.

I get that you think you're being clever or something, but being a bad member of this community by using words you know cause harm to people really degrades everyone's experience.

Re: Ask HN: Who Is Firing?

#440

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If they qualify, they qualify. If they don't, then they're a fraud. If they shouldn't qualify but they did, then blame the policy makers. Only (2) would have been their fault.

I agree that policy makers bear primary culpability; but that doesn't absolve you morally for your individual choices. This is not "free money", in the sense of "I found a $100 bill on the street"; it comes from the sweat of taxpayers, both present and future. (In self-interested terms, it also doesn't absolve a company from harm to their brand and reputation, if/when it becomes public that they accepted a bailout th…

So that raises a question, one I ask because I honestly don’t know the answer: have the policy makers who authorized the release of these monies even made a supplemental mechanism for returning it outside of the established parameters for funds distributed as an explicit loan?

Taking your argument of the morality of individual choices at face value: how is one supposed to put that money back? Are they obligated to report this action as they would others? What’s the enforcement mechanism like?

I get your point but it opens up a lot of questions IMO that maybe adds some sediment to the purely moral water being poured out

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