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> Child bearing is only an initial factor; after the baby is out it goes away. Men do not produce milk.
Transphobic. Edit>> FtM men produce milk for the downvoters.
Cisnormative. Not necessarily transphobic.
Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
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Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
But... we are doing this. The President brought it up during the State of the Union. > The Family and Medical Leave Act (FMLA) requires large organizations to offer employees up to 12 weeks of unpaid leave to care for a new child, sick relative or their own illness. Although a growing number of states have passed or are considering paid family leave laws, there is no nationwide equivalent. https://www.shrm.org/resour…
To even use FMLA you must have worked for the employer for at least a year, at least one of the major restrictions. For example if you have your baby a couple days before your 1 year work anniversary and your employer does not offer parental leave, you are pretty much forced to quit just to be able to take care of your baby for 3 months. FMLA is not the solution for everyone.
That's a feature not a bug, otherwise you'd have people gaming the system.
I'd say if you haven't worked a year, you don't deserve a year off, pregnancy or not.
Plan your life accordingly and take responsibility.
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#433I'm a dad (of three) and I am not convinced that time spent at the very start of their lives is as significant as that later in their lives (note the "as", I am not saying it has no value!) when you can really nurture their passions, knowledge, etc. I did spend a lot of time with my children in their earliest days because it was the right thing to do, but I don't feel either they or I particularly gained from it (tha…
Swedish parental leave can be saved until the kid turns 12. Not that the 480 days will last that long, of course!
Is that per parent or is it shared between parents? That really sounds incredible, going to have to remember to look this up.
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#434Earlier quoted context omitted.
No, after. I want them to thrive, but they're not at an age yet where I can fully appreciate time with them.
> No, after. I want them to thrive, but they're not at an age yet where I can fully appreciate time with them. You know that first 3 years of our lives are most forming on our deeper personalities. How people are calm, energized, focused, or somehow broken... they have started developing personalities while still in the womb. That they have no verbal way to express themselves doesn't mean anything. They do appreciate…
> You know that first 3 years of our lives are most forming on our deeper personalities.
Do you have any citations or source for that?
Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#435Where does the money come from? I'm an American and so I'm less familiar with other countries policies. I get that mandating a very generous family leave policy is wonderful for parents and good for society. To me it seems it's gotta be tough for small business owners though. A business of lets say 8 employees simply cannot afford a paid six month leave without it impacting its performance. How is that handled in tho…
Without knowing anything about it, I'm inclined to think that it's a combination of Finland's offshore oil drilling income of at least $5.23 billion and their tax rate of 51.6%: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/fin/ https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rat... The US has a lower top income tax rate of 37%: https://www.debt.org/tax/brackets/ Other more democratic socialism leaning countries redi…
> Finland's offshore oil drilling income of at least $5.23 billion
Huh? We don't have any sources of oil. We do have oil refineries but not any wells or drilling. You may be thinking of Norway.
Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#436What are the negative impacts?
Cost. It costs a lot of money.
Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#437Earlier quoted context omitted.
Without knowing anything about it, I'm inclined to think that it's a combination of Finland's offshore oil drilling income of at least $5.23 billion and their tax rate of 51.6%: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/fin/ https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rat... The US has a lower top income tax rate of 37%: https://www.debt.org/tax/brackets/ Other more democratic socialism leaning countries redi…
> Finland's offshore oil drilling income of at least $5.23 billion Huh? We don't have any sources of oil. We do have oil refineries but not any wells or drilling. You may be thinking of Norway.
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Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#438Where does the money come from? I'm an American and so I'm less familiar with other countries policies. I get that mandating a very generous family leave policy is wonderful for parents and good for society. To me it seems it's gotta be tough for small business owners though. A business of lets say 8 employees simply cannot afford a paid six month leave without it impacting its performance. How is that handled in tho…
Without knowing anything about it, I'm inclined to think that it's a combination of Finland's offshore oil drilling income of at least $5.23 billion and their tax rate of 51.6%: https://oec.world/en/profile/country/fin/ https://tradingeconomics.com/finland/personal-income-tax-rat... The US has a lower top income tax rate of 37%: https://www.debt.org/tax/brackets/ Other more democratic socialism leaning countries redi…
You're misreading the OEC report - Finland exports refined petroleum. They don't do any drilling. Even then it's only 7% of their total exports.
You're confusing Finland with Norway and their national fund.
Re: Finland to give dads same parental leave as mums
#439I'm a dad (of three) and I am not convinced that time spent at the very start of their lives is as significant as that later in their lives (note the "as", I am not saying it has no value!) when you can really nurture their passions, knowledge, etc. I did spend a lot of time with my children in their earliest days because it was the right thing to do, but I don't feel either they or I particularly gained from it (tha…
I view it from a totally different perspective -- I took 2 months off at the start (and my wife left her job a while before that). Since we had no hired helper (nanny or doula) during that time and had limited grandparents help, it was mostly the 2 of us baby-caring during the first 2 months. It was both rewarding and exhausting, and we both agree that it was the most physically-intense time of our lives, to the point where I don't know how either of us would survive without the other person also being there.
I honestly don't know how parents who have to go back to work do it (especially in a family where one parent goes back to work very soon). There's so much work for the mother that without the father also being there, it seems to me it would create a major rift in the relationship when it comes to understanding what the other person is going through. I theorize that the father not being there (and being at work) during those early months is a foundation of the collapse of a spousal relationship years down the road, for many couples.
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This should be the norm in all of the developed world! As a freelancer I took a self-funded three-month break (it just finished) when our third child was born and it has been amazing. I wish that I'd been in a position to do the same for my other two children too. Firstly, we're trying hard to close the gender pay gap. Giving fathers the same amount of free time as the mothers goes a long way here. Secondly, it's fan…
> Thirdly, the cost is not large. Businesses are already absorbing the lost productivity caused by the fathers being exhausted. This formalizes it. Exactly! And in both Norway and Sweden you can be part time on leave. For some time I had 25% leave, which meant that I was working, but could go early when tired from a long night of baby cries or stay at home one day when my wife needed to get something else done. And t…
That 90% is ideal! My wife owns a business with > 100 employees, that's basically what she did during her pregnancy leave. Having me home made that possible (or at least easier, she's breastfeeding.. and that takes a crazy effort to get going).