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Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

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Always fascinated by the idea that paying someone $8/h is a crime, but paying them $0/h is perfectly fine. Such enormous cognitive dissonance. We humans are so good at that.

Paying someone $0 to work for you would be illegal too.

What they're saying is that the worker either gets 8/hour with a job or 0/hour with no job. I'd rather have the job.

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So why do farmers in the EU deserve protection or coal in the US? We do subsidise some things. What makes that choice happen?

lobbying

^^ which is kinda my point and also arguably reasons for shit like Brexit. If we, the intelligentsia make "no subsidies" arguments for taking away well paying jobs for the working classes while allowing other (lobbied) industries to accept subsidies then we're making ourselves complicit in the hypocrisy.

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> "Pedestrian outside crosswalk not assigned goal of crossing street", "Tracking history not considered when classification changes", "Predicted path depended on object’s goal" To be fair, I could see myself implementing these sort of heuristics to get a working prototype. On the other hand, I deliberately avoid working on life-critical software because of how easily it can go wrong.

A human driver would also follow the same heuristic. That is why it was programmed that way. People don't assume people are going to randomly walk in front of their cars except at cross walks.

Idk about you, but if I see a human start to step into the road I slow down/stop depending on how close they are. Someone stopped and facing the road looking both ways obviously may be attempting to cross, even if "illegally"

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That's very surprising to me. In case I wasn't clear, I'm referring specifically to salaried pay and not hourly pay, where more frequent payouts are the norm. Admittedly, I only have my own anecdotal evidence among my own experiences, friends, and family, but I can't think of anyone I've had the salary conversation with that mentioned getting paid other than monthly and would be curious to see what the actual breakdo…

This BLS breakdown [1] doesn't break down salaried vs. hourly. However, it does say that "A look at the chart reveals that semimonthly is the pay period in which businesses pay the highest average hourly earnings, followed closely by monthly." (And biweekly after that.) Hourly earnings are probably a reasonable proxy for salaried vs. hourly. So the data suggests that being paid every two weeks is somewhat more common…

Thanks for the followup, this puts a lot in perspective. The article notes:

> In March 2013, 94.8 percent of private businesses were single-pay-period businesses

meaning that most companies pay all workers on the same schedule. Therefore, if a company has any hourly workers that get paid more frequently than monthly, everyone salaried in the company is going to get put in the same pay schedule as well. All the orgs I've worked at either paid monthly uniformly or were part of that rare 5.2% that had different pay schedules, so I admit that my experience is an outlier here.

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I don't know what I'm missing, but why not let customers decide if they want to use a lower standards for vetting service, and let drivers decide if they want worse working conditions. Note that I don't completely agree with your statements, but assuming they're true, my question still stands.

Because the UK - like most of Europe - believes the free market is a poor mechanism to protect vulnerable people from rape and physical assault. I'm not being flippant here: customers have routinely shown that for lower prices they'll suffer almost anything, to the point that safer alternatives become uncompetitive. TfL isn't asking for much here: just that drivers are vetted properly and consistently. Every other fi…

Is there actually any data that shows traditional taxis are safer? I bet there isn't because if there was it would have been used by the taxi companies by now.

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This BLS breakdown [1] doesn't break down salaried vs. hourly. However, it does say that "A look at the chart reveals that semimonthly is the pay period in which businesses pay the highest average hourly earnings, followed closely by monthly." (And biweekly after that.) Hourly earnings are probably a reasonable proxy for salaried vs. hourly. So the data suggests that being paid every two weeks is somewhat more common…

Thanks for the followup, this puts a lot in perspective. The article notes: > In March 2013, 94.8 percent of private businesses were single-pay-period businesses meaning that most companies pay all workers on the same schedule. Therefore, if a company has any hourly workers that get paid more frequently than monthly, everyone salaried in the company is going to get put in the same pay schedule as well. All the orgs I…

The other interesting thing about the numbers is that biweekly becomes much more prevalent relative to semimonthly as the businesses get larger.

I assume this is because small businesses (and many employees) prefer a pay schedule that's aligned with their (often monthly ) bills for cash flow reasons. Whereas larger businesses prefer to keep payroll expenses from fluctuating a bit depending upon how many days are in a given month.

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of all the jerks i see causing traffic delays, 90% of them are lyft/uber drivers. next time your in SF and you see someone blocking the bus-lane with their hazards on as if its some excuse, you'll see the uber/lyft tag.

It's almost as if there is some sense in limiting the number of taxis that can be on the road at one time. Maybe some form of limited-supply, transferrable crypto-token[1][2]... Could be used to prevent these sorts of situations. [1] I am, of course referring to medallions. [2] I am, of course, fishing for karma, by introducing a blockchain when one is not necessary.

I thought you made a modest proposal.

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> putting people at risk Given that this is the only part of your comment that remotely reaches "bad for the customer" [1], can you elaborate on this? I've heard scattered reports of safety concerns but they never seem to add up to much, and I've never seen anyone try to do an apples-to-apples comparison to taxis. There's obviously inherent danger in large numbers of people getting into strangers' cars, and the quest…

>, can you elaborate on this? Not the person you were replying to but sexual harassment or just creepiness is a common one here in Indianapolis. This year alone: - one friend had an Uber driver offer her perfume when she took an Uber home which creeped her out - A co-worker driving Uber on the side had a couple invite her into their home offering her use of their hot tub and telling her that she could borrow clothes…

Anecdata: information or evidence that is based on personal experience or observation rather than systematic research or analysis.

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

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You can't hail a regular taxi in London with your phone still ? Why? How do you get them? Call? Or do you have to wave your arms? It's been 10 years since you could first do it in e.g. Stockholm with normal licensed taxis. Edit what I mean are regular taxis, not "black cabs", "minicabs" etc. I mean the iconic taxis. If you can't hail those, why not?

Black cabs are the 'iconic taxis'. You hail them with your arm, yes. This is quite fine and normal because there are millions of them. Just like how you might signal for a bus.

Sorry I confused the term. What’s a non taxi service called some times? “Black car”?

In any case: being able to hail a taxi on the street doesn’t mean it can’t be useful to pre book one with an app too. I you want to go to the airport in the morning from a house where few taxis pass, that’s what you need to do. In the 90s that meant calling a phone number but these days you want to use an app, pre pay in the app and so on.

(On a side note, I take buses every day but I have never seen someone signal for one. If I’m at the bus stop it stops, if I’m not - it doesn’t. This varies between cities too I guess)

Re: Uber loses licence to operate in London, will still operate while appealing

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After living for years in London, it’s hard to compare Ubers with black cabs. In the centre of town during the day black cabs are often ubiquitous, immediately available, and skilled at getting you the hell out of dodge. Something for which I’m happy to pay a premium. Anywhere else they can be capricious and scarce. After 11pm this is the case with in fact almost all black cabs anywhere in the city, when a very diffe…

Sounds like Uber provides valuable service to the poor who are more likely to work night shift and also less likely to be able to afford the premium for the nicer black cab service during the day.

Uber in my city is way more expensive than cabs. A cab ride that I take to get to work is around £5-£6. A black cab will be around £8. An uber the other day was around £12.
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