Yeah, now Assange’s extradition to the U.S. is ensured, there’s no reason to keep the sham investigation going any longer.
Sweden’s involvement in the extrajudicial persecution of Assange is downright shameful.
Sweden Drops Julian Assange Rape Investigation
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#432Earlier quoted context omitted.
> It would certainly be stealing if she deleted the documents in the server afterwards, which she did not Again, not a lawyer, not trying to counter you personally, but if someone clones my credit card and take money from it, it is stealing, even if the card is still in my pocket. If someone use my bank's password to transfer funds to his account, it is stealing, even if my account is still in my possess. > "The mili…
> it is stealing I would disagree (although it is closer to the definition of thieft than stealing data is as you lose the ability to withdraw the money). > That translates to "technically she stole classified documents and betrayed her country that she swore to protect." No, it doesn't. The "court" could as well say "the sun rotates around earth and the moon is made out of cheese", it would not make it correct. > un…
First of all, sorry, but I'm Italian and I don;t get all the nuances.
The difference between stealing and theft was unknown to me.
Secondly: no, it's not guilty until proven innocent, Manning has been proven guilty, she never denied of illegally obtaining those documents.
third: in this case Manning confessed. There's no much debate we can do about it.
fourth: no, I don't put any particular fate on courts, is just how the system works.
I'm not a sex offender until a court says so.
And after that people would say "he's a sex offender" not "the court said he's a sex offender".
Unfortunately I don't make the rules.
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#433Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.
What makes you think making up charges and constantly threatening to destroy you are not extremely stressful. He has a family too that he's been unable to see properly for a long while. Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake? Clearly, facing deportation to the US is problematic for a number of reasons, mostly that it's impossible for even Snowden to get a fair trial there, let alone…
> Is his only current crime skipping bail on charges he believed were fake?
No, he's already served the time for that. He's held strictly for extradition by now.
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#434>the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation.
This is bullshit. Either they had real evidence or not. Evidence does not "weaken" with time. The truth is they never had evidence because the charges were BS in the first place. The only thing that has weakened is the fact that that the U.S. and other powers that want him dead already have him... so they no longer need trumped up charges to snare him.
He should be freed immediately and damages should be paid to him by all those involved in his illegal detention.
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#435Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yah. Then get send over to US and A and killed. Checkmate
The saddest thing about Assange's story is that when one lives in the realm of the paranoid for too long, the paranoia eats them. The US and A isn't in the business of assassinating visible targets. There's plenty of people who believe they are, but there's plenty of evidence they aren't. If they were, Manning wouldn't still be breathing.
It is in the business of assassinating visible targets. By probability and behavioral record. Unless you have special evidence to contrary.
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#436> "The reason for this decision is that the evidence has weakened considerably due to the long period of time that has elapsed since the events in question." I'm not sure I understand what's meant by this. Did the victims testimony change? How does evidence weaken over time?
There was no evidence, just two women accusing him of sexual misconduct (if memory serves, it wasn’t even rape in the classical sense, but Assange not wearing a condom when he’d said he would).
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#437> Her statements have been coherent, extensive and detailed; however, my overall assessment is that the evidential situation has been weakened to such an extent that that there is no longer any reason to continue the investigation.
I used to think Sweden was "woke" and progressive but I was mistaken. A statement like this by law enforcement in California would be unacceptable.
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#438Earlier quoted context omitted.
I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. It's something, but i'm not sure I agree with calling that torture.
> I find the idea of the threat of prosecution in a free country as a form of "torture" a bit questionable. Yeah, it's funny how HN typically goes evidence-free where pet politics is concerned. I'll eat my hat if someone on here can name a single precedent of someone being tortured in the U.S. before being tried for a crime similar to what Assange would be accused of. Edit: and citations, please!
> similar to what assange would be accused of
That's oddly specific, but still be careful what you're asking for. "Police torture suspect" gives a lot of results, for example: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Burge
There's a good chance some of those 200 cases were rape cases.
Then there is also the torture of terrorism suspects, if you wish to take that angle since Assange has repeatedly been labeled a terrorist.
Here's two more Wikipedia articles that may be interesting to you:
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Torture_and_the_United_State...
Especially interesting may be the "Domestic Torture in Modern Times" section if you wish to focus on what happened domestically.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enhanced_interrogation_techn...
Always worth a read.
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#439Worth mentioning that Nils Melzer, the UN Special Rapporteur on Torture, visited Assange and described his treatment as psychological torture: > “It was obvious that Mr. Assange’s health has been seriously affected by the extremely hostile and arbitrary environment he has been exposed to for many years,” the expert said. “Most importantly, in addition to physical ailments, Mr. Assange showed all symptoms typical for…
Nope, sorry. He could have left the embassy any time he wanted. Any 'torture' is purely self-inflicted.
He couldn't have left whenever he wanted.
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#440Earlier quoted context omitted.
He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. For sexual assault he'd likely already be getting out of prison in Sweden, or at least be very close. Extradition to the U.S. has always been the real threat to him. The fact that he's facing extradition now proves it was a valid concern. Even if the Swedes were honestly just trying to get him for sexual assault, he was…
> He always maintained he didn't face the charges in Sweden for fear of being extradited to the U.S. Yeah... not really. He's guilty of being a dick to women and is finally paying for it. According to court transcripts, Assange said he “wanted to impregnate women” and “preferred virgins because he would be the first to impregnate them”. He also reportedly told one of his alleged victims that “Sweden is a good country…
This is valuable context I have not seen posted in an Assange thread here before, thanks.