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Post by jedieaston »

Exuma wrote: post #406
jeswin wrote: post #272

> Inverted-T arrow keys! A millimeter of key travel! Which is still quite poor - Thinkpads offer between 1.3 to 1.9mm of travel depending on the model. It is surprising that a $1Trillion computer hardware company cannot design the best keyboard in the world while tiny Lenovo seems to have done much better. Why would a "pro" user care more thinness and form than the usability of the primary input mechanism? Add: It's…

Literally nothing about Lenovo even holds a candle. Every Lenovo I used is a cringeworthy piece of plastic hot trash that deserves to be in the garbage. Comparing it to MBP quality is absolutely laughable.

Have you used the ThinkPad X1, or the old-school X220/T420? Those can hold their own with the retina MacBook Pro (display quality notwithstanding), and I'd take any of them over the current-gen with the butterfly keyboard.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by ucha »

baybal2 wrote: post #206
alvern wrote: post #59

So the top of the line specs get you: * 2.4GHz 8‑core 9th‑generation Intel Core i9 processor, Turbo Boost up to 5.0GHz * 64GB 2666MHz DDR4 memory * AMD Radeon Pro 5500M with 8GB of GDDR6 memory * 8TB SSD storage for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals.

> for $6099USD. I wonder how it will handle the thermals 45W is easily doable, gaming notebook vendors can easily get up to 100W in a mobile package. Apple and other "major brands" had a string of borderline laughable engineering mistakes over the past 5 years. For example, in their latest 12 inch Macbook, they simply put a blower to work as an exhaust fan, but then forgot that the keyboard membrane has no sealing ju…

I thought the 12 inch Macbook had completely passive cooling, with no blower nor fan.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by jzb »

pcr910303 wrote: post #218
ses1984 wrote: post #80

"I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" "I would buy a dell xps but only if it had a touchbar" things no one ever said.

> "I'm so glad this model has a touchbar" I'm so glad this model has a Touch Bar. I have seen numerous people who have a MBP 2016 or later which just can't use computers without the Touch Bar experience. If somebody doesn't find it useful, that's OK, but please, there are a lot of people (who doesn't loudly complain at HN) that finds the Touch Bar useful & incorporates it in one's workflow. I for myself uses my Touch…

It shouldn't be impossible for Apple to offer models with and without. Let the market actually decide. Something tells me that if Apple produced exactly the same model of MBP, one with and one without, you'd see a huge preference away from the Touchbar. I could be wrong! But it would be good if users had the choice.

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Post by bhauer »

insta_anon wrote: post #242

Can someone explain to me how Apple can justify only including a 720p FaceTime HD camera into the "the world’s best pro notebook"? The last iPhone that had this FaceTime camera was the 6S, released in 2015. Since the iPhone 7 (2016) the phones have had at least a 1080p FaceTime camera. Given that FaceTime / Skype calls are such a common use case and rarely anyones uses external webcams anymore, why doesn't Apple use…

There's a lot of Good-Enoughism and Apple apologism in the responses to your question, even though you never said this was a deal-breaker. You are fairly asking why this particular corner was cut for costs, and it does seem a weird place to save a few bucks when, as you say, the price is ~$4,000.

For what it's worth, the front and rear cameras on Microsoft's Surface products are both high-quality and it's generally a pleasure to do video conferences with Surface users. As some others here have pointed out, it's not necessary to have a high-quality video stream—it's not necessary to have video at all—but it's a better user experience to have a more life-like image of the people you're speaking with. In a group conference in particular, the oddball with the low-resolution 720 web-cam does stick out, looking like a relic from 10 years ago. Especially with a high-fashion status symbol such as an Apple laptop, that's an awkward position to be in.

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Post by chx »

> 96W USB‑C Power Adapter

That's a big deal for everyone. I do not know why it's not 100W but I will take what I can get. You see, Apple landing on 87W for their USB C adapter led to a lot of third party chargers also being 87W (or if multiple ports then one maxing out there) which is very frustrating to those who need more oomph. There's something to be said about education in the US when you need to explain to people a higher wattage charger doesn't damage their equipment...

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by arshbot »

The lack of a larger screen size coupled with the keyboard deficiencies are what drove me away from macOS to various linux distros.

While I'm immensely happy with my new OS - a lot more could be said about the hardware ( especially when running larger screens on pc that just can't keep up battery wise ).

This is a phenomenal step in the right direction, but one that comes too late for me. At this point I can't begin to consider jumping back until macOS sees some substantial improvements.

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Post by robertoandred »

calbear81 wrote: post #191
throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

I’m sure someone has suggested this at some point but why not physical keys with an lcd underneath each key? This would allow those keys to be fully customizable and be worthy of the “Pro” designation.

Fixed, inflexible keys defeat the purpose of a screen that can show anything.

Re: 16-inch MacBook Pro

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Post by Retric »

throwanem wrote: post #17

I'm astonished and pleased to see they walked back the two worst things about the original Touch Bar MBPs - the lack of a physical Escape key, and the full-size left and right arrow keys. The lack of physical function keys remains regrettable, and the Touch Bar is still no worthy substitute, but perhaps this is a sign that Apple is finally interested in listening to feedback from its long-term customer base, even if…

What I really don’t get is the Touch Bar could just sit in between the number keys and function keys. Even on 13” models there is space for both and a giant touch pad.

They have been forced to add it to just about every model to keep people from downgrading to avoid the thing. Which ok saved me money, but I would expect this to get the point across.

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