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Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by freeflight »

zaarn wrote: post #174
freeflight wrote: post #111

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It's not open yet, there's a chance it will never open. Might even be an investment opportunity: Swoop in and buy the whole mess once the German government decides it has thrown enough money into their bottomless pit.

The government will likely never do that, it's a prestige project so it will completed unless the entire government collapses.

> unless the entire government collapses

Well, at this point that seems more likely than that airport ever finishing.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by agent008t »

JamesLefrere wrote: post #418
agent008t wrote: post #397

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Could the downvoters please explain the downvoting? Are you arguing that there is no scenario under which Brexit could make Britain a more attractive place for business than the EU or Germany?

I’m not OP, but I would argue that. There’s no realistic scenario in which leaving the single market makes Britain a more attractive place for (most) businesses.

A combination of:

1. Extremely easy and friendly immigration policies for world’s top talent - better than in the US

2. Legal ability to easily hire and fire people

3. Legal ability to run a business out of your garage

4. Lower taxes - income, corporate, capital gains - than in the US

5. Free trade, even if unilateral, as the US is involved in tariffs and trade wars

All of this combined, given that the UK is English speaking, could lead to the UK overtaking Silicon Valley in terms of startups. Most of the world’s top talent would, all else being equal, prefer to live around Cambridge than in Palo Alto.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by BeatLeJuce »

kayoone wrote: post #401
lm28469 wrote: post #314

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> which by Berlin standards is an amazing result. They only, and rightfully, get pissed when mega corps like google/amazon come in the city center, buy a 40 storey building and starts paying everyone 100% more than the average for the same position.

it's not only US megacorps, a lot of well funded tech companies pay salaries close to what Amazon or Google pay and they have to as that's what the market demands. As a software engineer in Berlin i can't really say i don't like that though. Berlin rents might have doubled since 2010, but they were also way below other german capitals due to Berlins history, so the rents coming to the same level as say Hamburg or Mun…

Could you name a few companies in Berlin that pay "close to faang" level in Berlin?

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by pinkfoot »

agent008t wrote: post #397
agent008t wrote: post #339

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To be fair: 1. Brexit hasn't happened yet. I.e. UK has not been able to introduce policies that would make it a lot more competitive and friendly for business than the EU/Germany, make it friendlier for international talent, which is one of the opportunities created by Brexit. 2. We do not know what would have happened had Parliament and civil service been more positive and cooperative on Brexit. It could be a self-f…

Could the downvoters please explain the downvoting? Are you arguing that there is no scenario under which Brexit could make Britain a more attractive place for business than the EU or Germany?

Here is how you approach this: in which scenarios would Canada become a more attractive place for business if it left the USMCA (ex NAFTA) RELATIVE to the USA or Mexico.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by kayoone »

BeatLeJuce wrote: post #433
kayoone wrote: post #401

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it's not only US megacorps, a lot of well funded tech companies pay salaries close to what Amazon or Google pay and they have to as that's what the market demands. As a software engineer in Berlin i can't really say i don't like that though. Berlin rents might have doubled since 2010, but they were also way below other german capitals due to Berlins history, so the rents coming to the same level as say Hamburg or Mun…

Could you name a few companies in Berlin that pay "close to faang" level in Berlin?

I don't know what Google pays for a Senior engineer, but from what I know about Amazon it's about 70-100k. Other companies that pay on this level:

- Zalando

- HERE Technologies

- N26

- Delivery Hero

- Soundcloud

- VW/Mercedes/Porsche backend startups (Proshare, Coup, Porsche Digital Lab)

And many smaller ones. From my circle, most Senior engineers earn in the 70-100k range total compensation. Since Berlin is still quite affordable, that allows a good standard of living.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by mellosouls »

agent008t wrote: post #432
JamesLefrere wrote: post #418

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not OP, but I would argue that. There’s no realistic scenario in which leaving the single market makes Britain a more attractive place for (most) businesses.

A combination of: 1. Extremely easy and friendly immigration policies for world’s top talent - better than in the US 2. Legal ability to easily hire and fire people 3. Legal ability to run a business out of your garage 4. Lower taxes - income, corporate, capital gains - than in the US 5. Free trade, even if unilateral, as the US is involved in tariffs and trade wars All of this combined, given that the UK is English…

1. Plenty of home grown top talent. Nothing wrong with recruiting further afield, but it's often used to low ball wages and rights.

2. Workers rights.

3. I've no idea why you think people don't run businesses from their homes already.

4. Depends on the government of the time, and why do you think racing to the bottom on public funding is a good thing?

5. We already have free trade. Try getting in tariff battles with no strength outside the EU.

Tbh all those points seem dubious at best.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by agent008t »

mellosouls wrote: post #436
agent008t wrote: post #432

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A combination of: 1. Extremely easy and friendly immigration policies for world’s top talent - better than in the US 2. Legal ability to easily hire and fire people 3. Legal ability to run a business out of your garage 4. Lower taxes - income, corporate, capital gains - than in the US 5. Free trade, even if unilateral, as the US is involved in tariffs and trade wars All of this combined, given that the UK is English…

1. Plenty of home grown top talent. Nothing wrong with recruiting further afield, but it's often used to low ball wages and rights. 2. Workers rights. 3. I've no idea why you think people don't run businesses from their homes already. 4. Depends on the government of the time, and why do you think racing to the bottom on public funding is a good thing? 5. We already have free trade. Try getting in tariff battles with…

I mostly agree with this: http://www.paulgraham.com/america.html

And I think an argument could be made that being more competitive on all those points would be easier outside the EU.

I suspect you would disagree with Paul's essay/the goals he outlined, and that's fine. My point is that if you did agree with his essay, you might see that Brexit could also open opportunities.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by mellosouls »

agent008t wrote: post #437
mellosouls wrote: post #436

Earlier quoted context omitted.

1. Plenty of home grown top talent. Nothing wrong with recruiting further afield, but it's often used to low ball wages and rights. 2. Workers rights. 3. I've no idea why you think people don't run businesses from their homes already. 4. Depends on the government of the time, and why do you think racing to the bottom on public funding is a good thing? 5. We already have free trade. Try getting in tariff battles with…

I mostly agree with this: http://www.paulgraham.com/america.html And I think an argument could be made that being more competitive on all those points would be easier outside the EU. I suspect you would disagree with Paul's essay/the goals he outlined, and that's fine. My point is that if you did agree with his essay, you might see that Brexit could also open opportunities.

Thanks for the link, I'll read it later.

I wouldn't dispute there are potential benefits to Brexit, I'm saying there are no obvious winning arguments, and clear counters to all of yours.

Also by purely framing it in terms of business, you are in danger of making two errors:

1. Assuming all business has the same needs, and all business owners have the same perspective.

2. Much more importantly, business is just one factor of the national life affected by the split, and - as pointed out -has a natural tension with other issues like rights and standards that you haven't addressed.

Re: Tesla’s European gigafactory will be built in Berlin

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Post by kwhitefoot »

natch wrote: post #393
kwhitefoot wrote: post #232

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> and with brake pads that last forever. Not true if you live in an area where the roads are salted in the winter. Then they don't last any longer than on an ICE car unless you reduce or turn off regenerative braking. I had to have two replaced at the last service because of rust for just that reason and the car is only four years old (Model S). Tesla's advice was to reduce regen in the winter so that the brakes get…

Yes exception for very cold weather when regen is limited. Not so much to do with road salting, just use of brake pads versus non use, although salt could help cause rust to disks, not pads, which could in turn affect pads. But yes certain conditions may vary. > Then they don't last any longer than on an ICE car unless you reduce or turn off regenerative braking. This makes no sense. Reducing or turning off regen wou…

I was talking about the disks, sorry I didn't make that clear.

If the rust is too extensive then the car will fail its periodic test. All cars in Norway must be tested every two years (first test when the car is four years old) and the condition of the brake disks is one of the check points.

I agree that the pads will last much longer with regen but the pads are relatively cheap compared to the disks.

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Post by TomMarius »

InternetOfStuff wrote: post #188
chii wrote: post #177

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