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Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by spectogarb »

nothis wrote: post #371
rdiddly wrote: post #291

It's charming how he goes out of his way not to step on any designer toes. "I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs." No, yeah you do, you just said it in the previous paragraph: "And since iOS (and in some places now macOS, too) doesn’t offer visual affordances like scroll indicators, she had no idea there was…

Leave poor “beautiful” out of it! It’s innocent! Apple’s shit is beautiful because it is simple and functional, not the other way round. I think the issue is now that their products become weirdly tacky looking from being functionally weird. The notch, the Touch Bar, the overladen gesture menus... it’s all kinda aimless and floaty. Let’s not even go into how they turned a MacBook workspace into dongle central.

It's more simple than functional.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by spectogarb »

djsumdog wrote: post #165
rlv-dan wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It seems like much of the design rules that evolved by experience is being thrown away by designers because they don't think it's looks nice or is clean enough. Interfaces like Windows 95 that are neither too early nor too modern seem to be really excellent at conveying meaningful information to the user.

The Windows 95/98 scroll bars were vastly superior to those in Win10. No matter the size of the window or the scrollable content, you can tell what is the scroll bar and what isn't. On Win 10 it's sometimes ambiguous. Removing the scroll bar when you're not scrolling is the worst design decision.

Apple removed the scrollbar first, because they wanted the screen to look more beautiful and simpler. Instead you may not be able to tell that a page is scrollable, or maybe where you are on a page.

It's the definition of false simplicity.

Everyone followed suit because Apple Keynote events just made everything look so magical, and Mac/iPhone snobs were taken seriously by the dumbed-down press, and now Windows laptops and keyboards are like their previously-less-functional MacBook counterparts.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by 333c »

zuck9 wrote: post #411
333c wrote: post #325

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Weird — on my SE the "copy" row is only half-visible at the bottom so it's clear that I can scroll.

Do you have a non-standard font size? If not, maybe OP does.

I don't remember ever changing my font size, but it's possible that I did and forgot.

I took screenshots of my share sheet[0] and my text size settings[1].

[0]: https://i.imgur.com/PNH8zKk.jpg

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/Y07lEQE.jpg

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by 333c »

acqq wrote: post #426
333c wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Weird — on my SE the "copy" row is only half-visible at the bottom so it's clear that I can scroll.

On my SE I also have only two rows, no menu entries. (1) I've also wondered where the functionality went. Without this article I would never know that it's actually there but hidden. Somehow I feel really bad about that. ----- 1) I don't remember if I've tried to adjust the font size. My pet peeve regarding that is the font in the Notes app which has a and o similar enough to allow false reading of anything that is n…

Huh. As I told another commenter, I don't remember ever changing my font size, but it's possible that I did and forgot.

I took screenshots of my share sheet[0] and my text size settings[1].

[0]: https://i.imgur.com/PNH8zKk.jpg

[1]: https://i.imgur.com/Y07lEQE.jpg

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by andrewmunsell »

closetohome wrote: post #361
rdiddly wrote: post #291

It's charming how he goes out of his way not to step on any designer toes. "I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs." No, yeah you do, you just said it in the previous paragraph: "And since iOS (and in some places now macOS, too) doesn’t offer visual affordances like scroll indicators, she had no idea there was…

I kind of hate the entire iOS 13 share sheet. Having the option to instantly send anything I happen to be looking at to my mom with an errant tap wasn't a feature I'd been missing.

On the flip side, the quick-send list is one of my favorite features of iOS 13. Instead of the arduous process to share something to my SO before (it was something like, share > Messages > type the first couple letters of her name and choose her contact from a list of names > send), it's much easier to just (share > tap her photo > send).

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by spectogarb »

whatshisface wrote: post #161
hemmert wrote: post #24

On my iPhone SE, it is also well-spaced and perfectly cropped, omitting the 'copy' row and perfectly finishing below the second line of icons. (I actually have a PhD in human-computer interaction and I'm a professor for UX design. It took me a two days to figure out where all those functions, which somehow appeared to be accessible 'only through apps' (or people ;)), went. Oh well...)

Eventually, they will remove the display from iPhones entirely, reducing them to a transparent touchscreen that speaks to you in whirs and beeps through your AirPods. Then even the touchscreen will be removed, to be replaced by a LIDAR chip mounted around your belt buckle. The design of the Great Wizards of Old will have come to fruition, and men will call forth driving directions and Amazon orders using mystic incan…

Eventually we'll be forced to have chips implanted in our brains as babies where we can communicate with the giant computer in the sky which can also regulate gland secretions.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by ahartmetz »

influx wrote: post #420
avip wrote: post #403

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I'm gonna be publicly ridiculed for this one and I'm good with that. I've been trying to get the show desktop gesture on my mac right for years. You know, the one that "windows-D" was doing so loyaly for ages. My habit is to arbitrarily swipe as many fingers as I can find available from center of trackpad outwards. It used to take me ~10 trials to get it right. And now, enlightened by this random thread, I suddenly f…

I had no idea what you meant with "swipe 3 fingers upwards and one downward", but the image and description at https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204895 made it much more clear.

OTOH, more than one mouse button would be "confusing".

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by Aperocky »

nothis wrote: post #371
rdiddly wrote: post #291

It's charming how he goes out of his way not to step on any designer toes. "I’m a developer with an eye for design, but I’m certainly not a designer. So I don’t know what the solution is to these types of accidental UI bugs." No, yeah you do, you just said it in the previous paragraph: "And since iOS (and in some places now macOS, too) doesn’t offer visual affordances like scroll indicators, she had no idea there was…

Leave poor “beautiful” out of it! It’s innocent! Apple’s shit is beautiful because it is simple and functional, not the other way round. I think the issue is now that their products become weirdly tacky looking from being functionally weird. The notch, the Touch Bar, the overladen gesture menus... it’s all kinda aimless and floaty. Let’s not even go into how they turned a MacBook workspace into dongle central.

I cannot for the love of my life understand why apple put a touchbar there. If someone regularly uses them, please share your experience.

My next personal laptop will definitely not be a MacBook at this rate.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by mzs »

flanbiscuit wrote: post #191
chias wrote: post #135

I need to use a MacBook Pro for work. Discovering that there is an option to make scrollbars always visible when there is scrolling to be done was, by a significant margin, the best QOL improvement I have discovered. This happens to me so often it's ridiculous. Maybe because I'm just used to seeing a scrollbar if there is a Y-overflow, and people that grew up with this system know to -- I guess just like try scrollin…

I pretty much always use an external mouse on my Mac at work and at home. Plugging in a mouse automatically makes scrollbars always visible on a Mac and I didn't even realize that for a long while

I have usb mouse plugged into this mac and there was no scrollbar.

edit: I have a magic trackpad 2 also. It took when I turned that off and reloaded the page. Well that's annoying that I lose the scollbars with the trackpad.

Re: Perfectly Cropped

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Post by bcrosby95 »

AnIdiotOnTheNet wrote: post #155
nkrisc wrote: post #125

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Today's designers, just like kids these days. In reality, most design work these days is shifting to research and usability testing. Any designer who doesn't consider these things is just not a great designer and has much to learn.

Nearest I can figure, all the tuning is based on "engagement", which is a metric of how long a user spends on a thing. That's a useful metric to tune for if you only care about shoving ads at people, but is pretty much exactly the opposite of what you want if you're trying to help people get shit done.

I think it's more that measuring engagement is cheap: just add some metrics to your app. Measuring usability is expensive: you need to give large groups of users your thing and be physically present to see how they try to interact with it.

I would be fairly surprised if startups regularly tested their UX the way e.g. Microsoft (used?) to test some of their products: give it to a room full of old people who have never touched your app and ask them to do something with it.

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